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#18958 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w dziś, 22:03 w Ogólne

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DNA resuts exclude kinship of the person laying in Zolotaryov’s grave with Zolotaryov’s niece
«Komsomolskaya Pravda» and the Channel 1 aired sensational results of genetic analysis.
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Krivonischenko camera - 29 January 1959 Lozva river
In recollection.
In the winter of 1959, nine tourists led by Igor Dyatlov, a graduate from the Urals Polytechnic Institute disappeared in the north of the Sverdlovsk region.
The investigation found that in the middle of the night they, for unclear reasons, cut the tent and fled into the forest without outer clothing and shoes.
Six died of hypothermia, and three of them sustained fatal injuries.
The causes of the tragedy were never clarified, and the investigation was classified.
 
WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE EXHUMATION?
Question: Is it Semyon Zolotaryov who is buried in the grave under the monument to Semyon Zolotaryov, the researchers of the secrets of the Dyatlov Pass have asked this question for a long time.
The main reason for this is the strange tattoos on the corpse, presumably Zolotaryov.
None of the relatives remembers these tattoos.
The condition of the body when discovered was in no condition to be identified.
In addition, there is no reliable information that any of his relatives identified him.
There was no record of Zolotaryov ever been buried in 1959 at the Ivanovskoe Cemetery in Yekaterinburg.
This gave reason to Semyon's relatives to exhume and establish kinship with the help of DNA expertise.
Semyon Zolotaryov, as we wrote many times before, is the eldest and most mysterious of the perished group.
In that fateful trek, he turned out to be a stranger from outside.
The rest of the members of the group were 10-15 years younger and nobody knew the 37-year-old newcomer.
Semyon went through the whole war without a single wound.
After the end of the war, he did not go straight home, but enlisted the Minsk Institute of Physical Education.
Every time he wrote his autobiography, he confused in significant events from his life.
He even gave incorrect information about his combat awards.
Before leaving for his last expedition Semyon said to his students a mysterious statement:
"The whole world will talk about this expedition."
And his words turn out to be prophetic.
We, journalists of KP, willingly helped Semyon's relatives, because we also needed answers to a number of questions.
For example, to establish the nature of bone fractures found on the body of Semyon by forensic expert in 1959.
Check the radiation background of the remains, etc.
Forensic medical expert Sergei Nikitin performed the method of superimposition of Zolotaryov’s photo and the skull from the grave, directly at the cemetery.
Right there on the spot, Nikitin concluded that the person who is captured in the photo is buried in the grave.
According to relatives the photo used for the skull superimposition was of undoubtedly of Sеmyon.
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Forensic expert conducts a preliminary examination. Photo Alexey Bulatov
First examination comparing the DNA of Zolotaryov's bone remains and the DNA of his native niece Tatyana Skulbeda and nephew Pavel Leshchenko.
Both are the children of Semyon's sister Mary.
And at the moment both are the closest relatives of Semyon.
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Taking sampling material for DNA examination. Photo: Nikolay Varsegov
And here the stunning results of the, made with the help of DNA samples of the alleged Semyon and his relative Tatyana, were obtained.
According to the conclusion of a geneticist, the blood relationship on the maternal line is excluded (!).
 
"THE RESULTS ARE CONCLUSIVE"
About this new sensational secret of the Dyatlov Pass, we talked on the air of the radio "Komsomolskaya Pravda" (97.2 FM) with the geneticist Alexei Garkovenko, who conducted the DNA-examination.
- Alexey, what is the essence of the method that you used in the analysis?
- In the cells of each person there are organelles (cell particles), which are called mitochondria.
They are passed from mother to child.
This is the so-called kinship along the female line.
The method consists in comparing DNA sections.
If the relationship is close, then the sites will be similar.
We sequenced two DNA sections from bone tissue.
In one the DNA was unreadable.
In the other we got a chain that we could work with.
And in it there were 4 mismatches with Tatyana's DNA.
If it is more than three, kinship is excluded.
- And how to explain the discrepancy between the skull superimposition and the results obtained by you?
- Generally, genetics is a more accurate method.
And I have no doubt about the results.
- Alexey, there is an opinion that DNA extraction from bone tissue takes quite a long time - up to three weeks.
And you have finished in three days!
- Takes a long time?
This is complete nonsense!
Look how it works.
The bone is grinded, filled with an enzyme solution, the cells are cleaved and a full comparative analysis can be obtained in a day.
The bone that you, the journalists of the Komsomolka, provided were dissolved for 8 hours.
I took 1.5 hours were compared to another DNA and get the result.
This is the standard procedure.
- But you were not able to get results right away.
- It's true.
We first isolated nuclear DNA (the Y-chromosome in the male line), but it turn out to be broken.
Very bad in that.
Then we decided to look at the mitochondrial DNA along the female line.
And it turned out to be good.
- How often do you have to extract DNA from bones of such a long time ago?
- It is rare.
Usually the bones not more that 10 years old.
But one time we isolated nuclear DNA from bones 400 years ago.
- And how do you establish kinship?
- I'll explain as easily as possible.
We are all ancestors from one woman in this or that perspective.
And when analyzing, we always consider how the common ancestors of those people whose DNA we compare have long ago dispersed.
And as for your expertise, the common cells of the alleged Seeds and his niece Tatyana diverged more than 1000 years ago!
That is, they can not be relatives not that in the next three generations, but even deeper.
- To be honest, it's very difficult to believe in such stunning results.
Almost impossible!
- I can’t help it.
I am confident in these results by 100 percent.
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Results of the DNA test
2ND OPINION
On the air of the radio "Komsomolskaya Pravda" we called the famous forensic expert Eduard Tumanov and asked his opinion.
- This is not an examination of direct kinship, so there are questions about it, - said Tumanov.
- I don’t want to question the professionalism of these geneticists, but private laboratories, as far as I know, do not have enough experience to carry out examinations of this degree of complexity.
I believe that you need to contact the Russian Center for Forensic Medical Examination.
They have both skills and equipment for conducting such studies more weighty.
 
RINGING THE RELATIVES
We called Julia Orehova, Semyon Zolotaryov's grandniece.
- We are shocked by this result, - Julia shared with us.
- We were sure that Simyon Zolotaryov would be in the grave.
And if it's not him, then we need to file an application with the investigative committee with a request to open a criminal case and find out who was buried in 1959 under a memorable sign with a tablet bearing the name of our relative.
Historical sensation: a DNA test for the most mysterious member of the Dyatlov group.
In fact.
The investigation into the death of the Dyatlov group continues in the studio, a sensational statement has already been aired that Semyon Zolotaryov, the most mysterious participant in the ill-fated expedition, could have been involved in the death of the Dyatlov group.
Perhaps he was an agent implanted in a group of students at the very last moment, and was rescued by special services right after the tragedy.
Who is then buried in the grave of Zolotaryov?
* - Sequencing is the general name of methods that allow the sequence of nucleotides (biological substances) to be established in a DNA molecule.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#18957 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w dziś, 21:51 w Ogólne

Тайна перевала Дятлова: ДНК-экспертиза отрицает родство предполагаемого Семена Золотарева с его племянницей

«Комсомольская правда» и Первый канал озвучили сенсационные результаты генетического анализа.
Попробуем их осмыслить 
 
 
inx960x640.jpgСемен Золотарев в походе.

Напомним.

 

Зимой 1959 года на севере Свердловской области пропали девять туристов, отправившиеся в поход под руководством выпускника Уральского политехнического института Игоря Дятлова.

 

Следствие установило, что среди ночи они по неясным причинам разрезали палатку и убежали в лес без верхней одежды и обуви.

 

Шестеро умерли от переохлаждения, а у троих обнаружили смертельные травмы.

 

Причины трагедии так и не были выяснены, а расследование засекретили.

 

ЗАЧЕМ НУЖНА БЫЛА ЭКСГУМАЦИЯ?

 

Вопрос: Семен ли Золотарев покоится в могиле под памятником Семену Золотареву у исследователей тайны перевала Дятлова возник еще с давних пор.

 

Главная причина тому странные татуировки на трупе, предположительно, Золотарева.

 

Никто из родственников этих татуировок не помнит.

 

Само тело, когда его обнаружили, изменилось так, что уже опознать в нем Семена никто не мог.

 

К тому же нет достоверных сведений, что кто-то из родных его опознавал.

 

Не оказалось Золотарева и в списках похороненных в том 1959 году на Ивановском кладбище Екатеринбурга.

 

Это и побудило родственников Семена провести эксгумацию и установить родство с помощью ДНК-экспертизы.

 

Семен Золотарев, как мы уж не раз писали, самый старший и загадочный из погибшей группы.

 

В том роковом походе он оказался случайным человеком со стороны.

 

Никому не знакомый 37-летний среди юнцов, что моложе на 10-15 лет.

 

Семен прошел всю войну без единого ранения.

 

После победы не поехал сразу домой, а поступил в Минский институт физкультуры.

 

Всякий раз, излагая письменно свою автобиографию, путал в ней существенные события из своей жизни.

 

Даже давал неверные сведения о своих боевыхнаградах.

 

Уезжая в тот последний поход, Семен сказал своим товарищам такую загадочную фразу:

 

«Об этом нашем походе еще заговорит весь мир».

 

И эти слова его оказались пророческими.

 

Мы, журналисты «КП», охотно взялись помочь родственникам Семена, потому как нам тоже были нужны ответы на ряд вопросов.

 

Например, установить характер костных переломов, обнаруженных на теле Семена судмедэкспертом в 1959 году.

 

Проверить радиационный фон останков и т.д.

 

Метод фотоналожения портрета Золотарева и черепа из могилы эксперт Сергей Никитин использовал прямо на кладбище.

 

Там же он сделал вывод, что в могиле похоронен именно тот человек, который изображен на фото.

 

А на фото, со слов родственников, запечатлен именно Семен.

 

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Судмедэксперт проводит предварительную экспертизу останков.Фото: АЛЕКСЕЙ БУЛАТОВ

Сравнить ДНК костных останков Золотарева мы планировали с ДНК его родных племянников Татьяны Скульбеды и Павла Лещенко.

 

Оба - дети родной сестры Семена - Марии.

 

И на данный момент оба - самые близкие родственники Семена.

 

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Момент забора материала для ДНК-экспертизы.Фото: НИКОЛАЙ ВАРСЕГОВ

И вот получены ошеломляющие результаты первой экспертизы, сделанной с помощью образцов ДНК предполагаемого Семена и его родственницы Татьяны.

 

По заключению генетика, кровное родство по материнской линии исключено (!)

 
 

«СОМНЕНИЙ В ПОЛУЧЕННЫХ РЕЗУЛЬТАТАХ НЕТ»

 

Об этой новой сенсационной тайне перевала Дятлова мы поговорили в эфире радио «Комсомольская правда» (97,2 FM) с генетиком Алексеем Гарковенко, который и проводил ДНК-экспертизу.

 

- Алексей, в чем суть метода, который вы применяли при проведении анализа?

 

- В клетках каждого человека есть органеллы (частицы клетки), которые называются митохондриями.

 

Они передаются от матери к детям.

 

Это так называемое родство по женской линии.

 

Метод заключается в сравнении участков ДНК.

 

Если родство близкое, то участки будут схожи.

 

Мы секвенировали* два участка ДНК из костной ткани.

 

В одном - ДНК было нечитаемым.

 

В другом мы получили цепочку, с которой можно было работать.

 

И в ней было 4 несовпадения с ДНК Татьяны.

 

А все, что больше трех, исключает родство.

 

- А как объяснить расхождение между фотоналожением и результатами, полученными вами?

 

- Вообще генетика более точный метод.

 

И у меня нет сомнений в полученных результатах.

 

- Алексей, есть мнение, что выделение ДНК из костной ткани занимает достаточно долгое время - до трех недель.

 

А вы управились за три дня!

 

- Длительное время?

 

Это полная чушь! Вот смотрите, как это работает.

 

Кость перемалывается, заливается ферментным раствором, клетки расщепляются и в течение дня можно уже получить полный сравнительный анализ.

 

Кость, которую предоставили нам вы, журналисты «Комсомолки», мы растворяли 8 часов.

 

Потом 1,5 часа сравнивали с другим ДНК и получили результат.

 

Это стандартная методика.

 

- Но у вас же не сразу все получилось.

 

- Это правда.

 

Мы сначала выделили ядерную ДНК (Y-хромосома по мужской линии), но она оказалась разрушенной.

 

Причем, достаточно сильно.

 

Тогда мы решили посмотреть митохондриальную ДНК - по женской линии.

 

И ее получилось выделить.

 

- Как часто вам приходится выделять ДНК из костей такой давности?

 

- Именно такой редко.

 

Обычно это кости возрастом до 10 лет.

 

Но как-то раз мы выделили ядерную ДНК из костей 400-летней давности.

 

- А как вы устанавливаете родство?

 

- Объясню как можно проще.

 

Мы все предки от одной женщины в той или иной перспективе.

 

И при анализе всегда рассматривается то, как давно разошлись общие предки тех людей, ДНК которых мы сравниваем.

 

И что касается вашей экспертизы, то общие клетки предполагаемого Семена и его племянницы Татьяны разошлись более 1000 лет назад!

 

То есть они не могут быть родственниками не то, что в ближайшие три поколения, а еще глубже.

 

- Если честно, поверить в такие ошеломительные результаты очень сложно.

 

Практически невозможно!

 

- Ничего не могу поделать.

 

Я уверен в этих результатах на 100 процентов.

 

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Результаты ДНК-экспертизы.

 

ДРУГОЕ МНЕНИЕ

 

В эфире радио «Комсомольская правда» мы позвонили известному судебно-медицинскому эксперту Эдуарду Тумановуи спросили его мнение.

 

- Это экспертиза не прямого родства, поэтому к ней есть вопросы, - сказал Туманов.

 

- Не хочу ставить под сомнение профессионализм этих генетиков, но у частных лабораторий, насколько мне известно, не хватает опыта проводить экспертизы такой степени сложности.

 

Я считаю, что нужно обращаться в Российский центр судебно-медицинской экспертизы.

 

У них и навыки, и оборудование для проведения подобных исследований более весомые.

 

 

ЗВОНОК РОДСТВЕННИКАМ

 

Позвонили Юлии Ореховой, внучатой племяннице Семена Золотарева.

 

- Мы шокированы этим результатом, - поделилась с нами Юлия.

 

- Мы были уверены, что в могиле окажется именно Семен Золотарев.

 

А если это не он, тогда нужно писать заявление в следственный комитет с просьбой возбудить уголовное дело и выяснить, кто же был похоронен в 1959 году под памятным знаком с табличкой, где указано имя нашего родственника.

 

Историческая сенсация: тест ДНК для самого таинственного участника группы Дятлова.

 

На самом деле. Выпуск от 16.05.2018.

 

Расследование дела о гибели группы Дятлова продолжается в студии уже прозвучало сенсационное заявление, что Семен Золотарев, самый таинственный участник злополучного похода, мог быть причастен к гибели дятловцев . Возможно, он был агентом, внедренным в группу студентов в самый последний момент, и был спасен спецслужбами сразу после трагедии.

 

Кто тогда захоронен в могиле Золотарева?

 

 

ОТ АВТОРОВ

 

Честно скажем, что мы оказались не готовы к столь неожиданному выводу экспертизы.

 

Ведь если на Ивановском кладбище Екатеринбурга похоронен не Семен Золотарев, то кто же?

 

И куда делся с места трагедии сам Золотарев?

 

Или куда делось тело Семена Золотарева?

 

Юлия права в том, что нужно обращаться в органы с этими вопросами, но мы пока попросили ее подождать.

 

В ближайшее время проведем более обширный анализ ДНК в Российском центре судебно-медицинской экспертизы, где специалисты сравнят ДНК сестры и брата - Павла Лещенко и Татьяны Скульбеды, чтобы убедиться в их родственной связи.

 

А затем сравнят ДНК костной ткани предполагаемого Семена Золотарева и его обоих племянников.

 

Кроме того, мы надеемся, что и другие родственники Семена согласятся сдать свои образцы для более точного анализы.

 

Но если и вторая экспертиза подтвердит заключение первой, тогда картина событий на перевале окажется еще куда более загадочной и потребует прямого расследования компетентными органами.

 

Если вам что-либо достоверно известно о трагедии на перевале Дятлова, пишите: konata@kp.ru.

 

* - Секвенирование - это общее название методов, которые позволяют установить последовательность нуклеотидов (биологических веществ) в молекуле ДНК.

 

"Комсомолка" рекомендует: DVD "Перевал Дятлова. Конец истории?" и электронную книгу "Кто прячет правду о гибели группы Дятлова" в интернет-магазине shop.kp.ru

 

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DVD "Перевал Дятлова. Конец истории?"

 

 

ЧИТАЙТЕ ТАКЖЕ

 

Тайна перевала Дятлова: Кто похоронен в могиле Золотарева?

 

Напомним, зимой 1959 года в горах Северного Урала пропали девять туристов, ушедших в поход под руководством Игоря Дятлова.

 

Через месяц спасатели обнаружили их разрезанную палатку.

 

А в радиусе полутора километров от нее - пять замерзших тел.

 

Трупы остальных нашли только в мае.

 

Почти все туристы были разутые и полураздетые.

 

У некоторых - смертельные травмы.

 

До сих пор не разгадано, почему ребята убежали на лютый мороз и на свою погибель (подробности)

 

 

«Комсомолка» публикует неизвестные фото самого загадочного участника трагедии на перевале Дятлова

 

Напомним: зимой 1959 года в горах Северного Урала пропали девять туристов, ушедших в поход под руководством Игоря Дятлова.

 

Через месяц спасатели обнаружили их разрезанную палатку.

 

А в радиусе полутора километров от нее - пять замерзших тел.

 

Трупы остальных нашли только в мае. (подробности)

 

 

Перевал Дятлова: Выжил ли Семен Золотарев?

 

Тогда, напомним, при загадочных обстоятельствах погибла группа туристов.

 

Они среди ночи разрезали палатку и бросились в лес, не успев одеться и обуться.

 

После поисковики обнаружили в разных местах трупы туристов.

 

Что выгнало людей из палатки на мороз и погибель, так и не разгадано до сих пор (подробности)

 

 

Перевал Дятлова: За что Семен Золотарев получил строгий выговор?

 

Напомним, зимой 1959 года в горах Северного Урала пропали девять туристов под руководством Игоря Дятлова.

 

Через месяц спасатели обнаружили их разрезанную палатку.

 

А в радиусе полутора километров от нее - пять замерзших тел.

 

Трупы остальных нашли только в мае.

 

Почти все туристы были разутые и полураздетые.

 

У некоторых - смертельные травмы. (подробности)

 

 

Еще больше материалов по теме: «ПЕРЕВАЛ ДЯТЛОВА»

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Żródło: https://www.kp.ru/daily/26830/3870457/




#18947 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 18 maj 2018 - 21:45 w Ogólne

Please help Keith McCloskey with fundraising for the Dyatlov Foundation to reopen the case!

 

 

"Can you please help us to raise the necessary funds to officially reopen the Dyatlov case in Russia.

 

 

The Dyatlov Foundation has raised one third of what we need and we need another £1,600 to pay the legal fees and taxes involved.

 

 

A loophole has been found in the regulations concerning reopening closed cases and with the aid of the descendants of Rustem Slobodin and Yura Doroshenko,the foundation will be working with highly experienced and respected Kemerovo prosecutor Leonid Georgievich Proshkin.

 

 

Leonid Georgievich is well acquainted with the Russian Prosecutor General and the Chairman of the Investigative Committee.

 

 

The path that will be taken to reopen the case is the rights of the victims to a comprehensive and objective investigation of the case for which there is no legal obstacle.

 

 

If you can spare anything, even the price of a drink,it will help us to get this case reopened and properly investigated this time,we hope with a definitive answer as to what happened to the nine members of the Dyatlov Group and get justice for them.

 

 

We have a deadline to meet of August 1st this year in order for the investigation to be reopened,investigated and again we hope to have the results ready for the Dyatlov Foundation Conference in Ekaterinburg on the 60th anniversary of their deaths in February 2019.

 

 

We are extremely grateful to anyone who can help - Thank You."

 

 

https://uk.gofundme.com/solvedyatlov

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#18946 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 18 maj 2018 - 21:33 w Ogólne

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18 May - 59 years to the day
Lev Ivanov, lead investigator of Dyatlov case, decides on this date to order a physical and technical expertise on the radioactive contamination of the clothing and parts of bodies of the deceased tourists.
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Resolution for radiation contamination testing
Ivanov appoints the chief radiologist of Sverdlovsk Levashov to conduct the tests.
All clothing of Semyon Zolotaryov, Lyudmila Dubinina, Aleksander Kolevatov and Nikolai Thibeaux-Brignolle, as well as parts of their bodies were sent for testing.
Radiometric measurements were carried out with the help of the Tiss device without ashing in a lead house with cassette counters STS-6 in number of 4 pieces.
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"Tiss" universal device
"Tiss" universal device, measures alpha with an energy of radiation more than 3 MeV, beta and gamma with an energy of radiation more than 0.600 MeV.
Measuring range: 2 - 700 rpm * cm2.
Тhe device is measuring the contamination of clothing, hands and work surfaces with alpha or beta-active substances, receives a signal that the amount of contamination exceeds the permissible level, the value of which can be set by the operator.
Later, with radiometric measurements without ashing in a lead house with cassette counters STS-6 in the amount of 4 pieces, maximum contamination was established in some sections.
Basic technical specification: The device is designed to work in the temperature range of ambient air from +5 to +35 ° C and relative humidity up to 85% (at + 20°C) Power - from the AC 110/127/220 V network with a frequency of 50 Hz.
According to the direct-reading device, it is possible to measure the average pulse arrival rate in the range of 60-100 000 cpm.
The entire range is divided into 6 subbands: 300 pulses / min - 100 000 imp / min. The TU block has a working surface of 150 cm2.
The device's own background is 20 pulses/min.
With the TI block it is possible to work in gamma fields with an intensity of not more than 500 micro/sec.
The block is sensitive to magnetic fields.
The instrument measures contamination of surfaces with beta-active substances complete with a block of PM.
The working surface of the sensor is 130 cm2.
The measuring range is up to 100 000 rpm.
The device provides automatic compensation of the external gamma background, provided that the background value does not exceed the nominal value of the scale at which the measurements are made.
The studies were performed in Sverdlovsk radiological laboratory from 18 - 25 May 59.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#18945 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 18 maj 2018 - 21:30 w Ogólne

The prosecutor's office in Moscow sends two letters dated 11 and 15 May 1959 to the prosecutor of the Sverdlovsk region, Nikolay Ivanovich Klinov requesting progress update from the investigation lead by Lev Nikitich Ivanov.

 

Klinov should have ordered Ivanov to respond but there is no answer.

 

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Żródło: https://www.facebook.com/dyatlovmania/




#18932 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 17 maj 2018 - 10:45 w Ogólne

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#18931 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 17 maj 2018 - 10:39 w Ogólne

Выпуск от 16.05.2018.

 

ДНК для таинственного участника группы Дятлова.

 

 

16.05.2018 Май 2018 

 

 

 

Сегодня, в студии программы "На самом деле" возможно состоится разгадка одного из самых загадочных событий прошлого века - группы туристов на перевале, который позже назвали именем руководителя этой группы Дятлова.

 

Угасший было интерес к этой истории вновь возрос после выхода в эфир программы "На самом деле" несколько месяцев назад.

 

Журналисты программы начали отрабатывать все возможные версии начиная от бытовых, до самых фантастических и спустя некоторое время было доказано, что гибель туристов произошла от рук людей.

 

А разыгравшаяся на склонах снежных гор трагедия, была самым настоящим массовым убийством.

 

https://www.1tv.ru/-/hvgvz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Żródło: https://na-samom-del...y-dyatlova.html




#18930 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 17 maj 2018 - 10:30 w Ogólne

DNA results show the person in Zolotaryov's grave is not Zolotaryov.

 

According to this latest development we have unknown John Doe burried in Zolotaryov's grave.

 

 

https://na-samom-dele.ru/na-samom-dele-vypusk-ot-16-05-2018…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Żródło: https://www.facebook.com/dyatlovmania/




#18929 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 16 maj 2018 - 21:57 w Ogólne

Совместное расследование "Комсомольской правды" и Первого канала: Кто лежит в могиле под памятником Семену Золотареву?

Ответ на этот вопрос наши читатели получат в среду вечером в программе «На самом деле» с Дмитрием Шепелевым
 
 
inx960x640.jpgСмотрите на Первом канале программу «На самом деле» в среду, 16 мая

Недавно журналисты «Комсомольской правды» провели эксгумацию тела - предположительно одного из участников рокового похода Семена Золотарева.

 

А сотрудники первого канала взялись выяснить по анализу ДНК действительно ли Семен Золотарев захоронен на Ивановском кладбище Екатеринбурга.

 

Напомним, самый старший в группе был Семен Золотарев - 37 лет.

 

Фронтовик, спортсмен, бывалый путешественник.

 

Его тело долго пролежало в ручье и стало неузнаваемым даже для близких.

 

Однако на руках у найденного обнаружились странные наколки, которых никто не видал, не помнил при жизни Семена.

 

Этот факт и породил версию, что настоящий Золотарев непонятно куда исчез, но в то же время среди погибших оказался труп неизвестного.

 

А потом неизвестный был похоронен на Ивановском кладбище под памятником Семену Золотареву.

 

Эту версию подогревает и такая загадка - Семен Золотарев вообще не числится в списках захороненных ни на Ивановском, ни на каких других кладбищах Екатеринбурга.

 

И вот стали известны сенсационные результаты первой экспертизы ДНК, которые будут озвучены сегодня в эфире Первого канала.

 

Соглашаться с выводами экспертов или нет - решите сами.

 

 

Смотрите на Первом канале программу «На самом деле» в среду, 16 мая, в 18.50.

 

В этот же день в 22.05 (по Москве) в эфире радио "Комсомольская правда" мы расскажем подробности проведенной ДНК-экспертизы, узнаем, как к ее результатам относятся родственники Семена.

 

А также поговорим о сенсационной находке тюменского писателя Олега Архипова, которая, вероятно, ошеломит многих исследователей и заставит пересмотреть события на перевале Дятлова.

 

 

 

ЧИТАЙТЕ ТАКЖЕ

 

 

Перевал Дятлова: Выжил ли Семен Золотарев?

 

Тогда, напомним, при загадочных обстоятельствах погибла группа туристов.

 

Они среди ночи разрезали палатку и бросились в лес, не успев одеться и обуться.

 

После поисковики обнаружили в разных местах трупы туристов.

 

Что выгнало людей из палатки на мороз и погибель, так и не разгадано до сих пор (подробности)

 

 

Загадочная биография Семена Золотарева

 

Напомним, зимой 1959 года в горах Северного Урала пропали девять туристов, ушедших в поход под руководством Игоря Дятлова.

 

Через месяц спасатели обнаружили их разрезанную палатку.

 

А в радиусе полутора километров от нее - пять замерзших тел.

 

Трупы остальных нашли только в мае. (подробности)

 

 

Перевал Дятлова: За что Семен Золотарев получил строгий выговор?

 

Напомним, зимой 1959 года в горах Северного Урала пропали девять туристов под руководством Игоря Дятлова.

 

Через месяц спасатели обнаружили их разрезанную палатку.

 

А в радиусе полутора километров от нее - пять замерзших тел.

 

Трупы остальных нашли только в мае.

 

Почти все туристы были разутые и полураздетые.

 

У некоторых - смертельные травмы. (подробности)

 

 

 

Еще больше материалов по теме: «ПЕРЕВАЛ ДЯТЛОВА: ВЕРСИИ»

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Żródło: https://www.ul.kp.ru.../26829/3869115/




#18928 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 16 maj 2018 - 21:54 w Ogólne

https://www.ul.kp.ru/daily/26829/3869115/

 

It is happening right now.

 

Both Channel 1 (18:50) and KP (22.05) are emitting important developments about the DNA results.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Żródło: https://www.facebook.com/dyatlovmania/




#18927 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 16 maj 2018 - 21:45 w Ogólne

Oleg Nikolaevich Arhipov, author of a monograph on forensic experts in the Dyatlov case, claims to have found a memo dating 15.II.1959 which testifies of the fact that Vladimir Ivanovich Korotaev, the first investigator of Dyatlov case was in cahoots with Vasiliy Ivanovich Tempalov, the Prosecutor in the criminal case to cover the fact that they knew of the death of the students (15.II.1959) before they were found (27.II.1959).

 

"Vladimir Ivanovich (Korotaev - ed. note)

I am called to report to the deputy prosecutor of the RSFSR (Leonid Ivanovich Urakov - ed. note) in the criminal case of the death of the tourists, and I will be in Sverdlovsk for 2-3 days, so I ask you to look and see that everything is in order.

 

Please take care of the people court claims, If you send cases for further investigation or acquittal, appeal against the verdict also in a 5-day period.

 

All cases are true.

 

In addition, on the instructions of the regional prosecutor to interrogate the chief of the logging branch of Vizhay Hakimov whether the leader of the tourist group (who died) said that they will return to Vizhay not on 12.II. 59 but 15.II.59.

 

This needs to be done faster.

 

I'll call you from Sverdlovsk.

 

 

15.II.59 (crossed out) 16.II.59.

 

When Reeba is sentenced, if acquitted or the case is sent for further investigation, you must file a contest.


Greetings Procecutor Tempalov. 15.II.59"

 

 

 

Komsomolskaya Pravda article https://www.ul.kp.ru.../26829/3869201/ goes further on about the authenticity of the note and if there could be a typo - the month of march III to have been misspelled as II.

 

We know that the case is dating 6.II. because the same typo allegedly occur on Vasiliy Popov's testimony. 

 

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-048

 

 

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Vasiliy Ivanovich Tempalov, the Prosecutor in the criminal case

 

 

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Vladimir Ivanovich Korotaev, the first investigator of Dyatlov case

 

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Vladimir Ivanovich (Korotaev - ed. note)

I am called to report to the deputy prosecutor of the RSFSR (Leonid Ivanovich Urakov - ed. note) in the criminal case of the death of the tourists, and I will be in Sverdlovsk for 2-3 days, so I ask you to look and see that everything is in order. Please take care of the people court claims, If you send cases for further investigation or acquittal, appeal against the verdict also in a 5-day period. All cases are true.

In addition, on the instructions of the regional prosecutor to interrogate the chief of the logging branch of Vizhay Hakimov

 

 

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whether the leader of the tourist group (who died) said that they will return to Vizhay not on 12.II. 59 but 15.II.59.

This needs to be done faster. I'll call you from Sverdlovsk.
15.II.59 (crossed out) 16.II.59. When Reeba is sentenced, if acquitted or the case is sent for further investigation, you must file a contest.
Greetings Procecutor Tempalov.
15.II.59

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Żródło: https://www.facebook.com/dyatlovmania/




#18911 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 15 maj 2018 - 21:33 w Ogólne

The construction on the photo is a dam (плотина), which Colonel Ortyukov decided to build shortly after the first photo was taken and not long before they found the last four bodies.

 

The current in the creek was very strong and the rescuers had fears that the still missing last four bodies, if they lie in a creek, they can be rushed down to the fourth tributary of the Lozva river.

 

This dam was built by rescuers at the place, where the creek flows into the fourth tributary of Lozva river.

 

bottom row: Colonel Ortyukov, Delevich and Fyodorov


2nd row: Askinadzi, Suvorov, after next Kuzminov


top: the "lazy dog breeder" in Askinadzi's memoir "We are the last of the Mohicans ..."

 

 

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#18897 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 12 maj 2018 - 22:39 w Ogólne

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The last 4 funerals - 59 years to the day
On May 12 Lyudmila Dubinina, Alexander Kolevatov and Nikolai Thibeaux-Brignolle were buried in Mikhailovskoe Cemetery, in a plot designated to UPI.
Semyon Zolotaryov's funeral was a few days after May 12.
It was delayed so his mother could attend.
She had to travel from Krasnodar to Sverdlovsk.
Semyon Zolotaryov, since he was not a UPI contingent, was buried in Ivanovskoe cemetery where Yuri Krivonischenko was rested in peace on March 9.
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Funerals 12 May 1959, relatives behind Alexander Kolevatov coffin
 
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Alexander Kolevatov wreath in front at 12 May 1959 funerals
 
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Alexander Kolevatov funeral 12 May 1959
Zolotaryov had no relatives or friends in Sverdlovsk, and it was Sogrin who identified his belongings.
Before joining Dyatlov group Zolotaryov enlisted in Sogrin group for a trek to Circumpolar Ural that would have lasted 25 days.
Zolotaryov needed the title Master of Sports which would have reflected his pay and this trek could have given him the qualification.
Sogrin describes him as a very open, outgoing, polite, with good communication skills which is expected for a guide.
Semyon explained to Sogrin that he found a shorter trek (15 days) and that Igor Dyatlov accepted him n the group.
Semyon apologized for the situation and explained that he has family reason - he wanted to take his mom to Caucasus before the begging of the touristic season when he will be busy.
Zolotaryov’s mother came from Krasnodar to Sverdlovsk to collect his belongings in April, as she was told to, before her son was found.
It’s known she was not in Sverdlovsk in May when the bodies arrived. It’s likely that the authorities guessed the body was that of Zolotaryov by the process of elimination.
I have to mention that all the known photographs of Zolotaryov are from as late as 1943.
Recent exhumation of Zolotaryov's body on 12 April 2018 was preceded by 1 year effort to obtain a permit since there was no record of Semyon Zolotaryov being ever buried in Ivanovskoe cemetery, or anywhere else in Sverdlovsk.
So it is hard to say when exactly was his funeral, but witnesses remember that it was a few days after May 12.
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Semyon Zolotaryov grave when he was buried in May 1959
This time no one called Yudin to identify the bodies.
The secrecy grew tremendously.
Yuri Yudin, according to his words, was told 40 years later about the terrible internal injuries some of his friends had.
There is a controversy about the non-disclosure.
Even if there was a non-disclosure why nobody say anything earlier.
On the other hand, there is undercurrent that KGB was warning that bad things are going to happen to people that try.
  • Korotaev in a interview says that he and everybody present on the pass had to sign a non-disclosure for 25 years. But the fact is that he was never on the pass. He gave a lot of information that can not be verified. Here is an audio link with his voice.
  • Gushtin book "The price of a Govsecret - 9 lives"
 
The last 4 bodies found in May were buried in closed coffins, unlike the ones found in February, which were buried in open coffins as is the usual practice in Russia to this day, except for military deaths.
Many years later, in the 1990s, Lev Ivanov, the official investigator for the case, apologized for preventing the parents from dealing with their loved ones in a proper way, not even being allowed to see the faces of their children.
But the reasons for his decision are not just based in secrecy.
In an interview given to a Kazakh newspaper in the 1990s, after his retirement, Lev Ivanov said he had made one exception for Alexander Nikolaevich, the father of Lyudmila Dubinina.
While she was in the coffin in the morgue, he let her father enter, and permitted someone to open the lid so that he could see her.
When he saw his daughter’s corpse, he fainted.
Witness testimony of Alexander Dubinin given on April 14 (Case files pages 284-287).
This is before the body of his daughter was found.
"Till the day I still can believe that this could happened in the Soviet Union, that in this large industrial and cultural center of the country, could exist such a criminal disregard for preserving the lives of a whole group of people...
Those heartless leaders were never concerned that eight days after the planned return date at Vizhay, there was no contact, yet nobody did anything and search was rescue operations started on the 21 February."
In 1962, next to their graves in Mikhailovskoe Cemetery, a monument was erected with pictures of all nine members of the group.
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Dyatlov group monument erected in 1962 in Mikhailovskoe Cemetery, Sverdlovsk
Also in 1962, on that pass on Kholat Syakhl mountain, a group led by Valentin Yakimienko set a memorial plaque saying.
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Dyatlov group memorial plaque on Kholat Syakhl mountain, Northern Urals
“In memory of those who left and did not return, we name this pass on Dyatlov group”
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Dyatlov group memorial plaque on Kholat Syakhl mountain, Northern Urals
 

 

The pass has been called Dyatlov Pass ever since.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Żródło: https://www.facebook.com/dyatlovmania/




#18874 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 09 maj 2018 - 21:27 w Ogólne

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May 9 - last 4 autopsy reports
The header image is from “Dyatlov Pass - end of story” where Eduard Tumanov - modern times forensic pathologist in Russia who revised the post mortem analyses of the last four bodies.
In this movie Tumanov says:
“In Sverdlovsk, there is one of the best and largest Forensic Bureau in the former Soviet Union, having some of the high-level experts at the time.
I would say this is true even nowadays.
And then, you see, why prevents the head of the bureau or his deputy from the expertise division to assign a forensic physician.
And fly to Ivdel with two experts.
Vozrozhdenny could have helped them with the autopsy, gather some experience.
Why was everybody satisfied with a young forensic doctor with only 2 years of experience.
Another strange thing was that the operations in the Ivdel morgue were carried out under personal control of the district prosecutor Nikolay Klinov.
He was not only supervising but also signed the autopsy reports.
This si unheard of.
The head prosecutor of the region leaves everything to supervise the autopsies.
Vozrozhdenny at the time has been tried for anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and then given amnesty.
You understand that in those years an amnesty is conditional and uncertain.
Most likely they needed to be able to control him.”
 

Lyudmila Dubinina (20)

 

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Lyudmila Dubinina post mortem in Ivdel hospital
Lyudmila wore a short sleeve shirt, long sleeve shirt, and two sweaters.
The brown sweater belonged to Krivonischenko - one of the two found beneath the cedar, and lately tested radioactive.
The body was dressed with underwear, long socks, two pairs of pants.
External pair was badly damaged by fire and subsequently ripped.
She also wore a small hat and two pairs of warm sock.
A third sock was not paired.
Lyudmila apparently in the last attempt to preserve her feet took off her sweater and cut it in two pieces.
One half she rapped around her left foot.
Another half she left or dropped unintentionally on the snow.
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Lyudmila Dubinina injuries
  1. soft tissues are missing around eyes, eyebrows, nose bridge and left cheek bone is partially exposed
  2. damaged tissues around left temporal bone, size 4x4 cm
  3. eye sockets are empty, eyeballs are missing
  4. nose cartilages are broken and flattened
  5. soft tissues of the upper lip are missing, teeth and and upper jaw is exposed
  6. tongue is missing
  7. ribs 2, 3, 4, 5 are broken on the right side, two fracture lines are visible
  8. ribs 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 are broken on the left side, two fracture lines are visible
  9. massive hemorrhage in the heart's right atrium
  10. bruise in the middle left thigh, size 10x5 cm (not shown on diagram)

 

Dubinina was laying on a kind of a natural ledge with water rolling over it.
Her mouth was open.
There are claims that the tongue was ripped, or eaten, or whatnot.
The medical records simply that "the tongue is missing".
Vozrozhdenny describes missing hypoglossal muscle as well as muscles of the floor of the mouth.
It looks weird especially given the fact previous bodies had more detailed autopsies.
There is no credible explanation for this vague statement.
Although it is mentioned that the stomach contained about 100 g of coagulated blood.
It is used by some as an indication that the heart was beating and the blood was flowing when tongue was removed from a mouth.
The cause of death is stated as hemorrhage into right atrium of the heart, multiple fractured ribs and internal bleeding.
Medical examination shows that Lyuda was not sexually active at the time of her death.
This fact is only relative to the fact that whoever did the crime did not sexually assault the girls, or the men as a matter of fact.
 

Semyon Zolotaryov (37)

 

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Semyon Zolotaryov post mortem in Ivdel hospital
The body of Semyon Zolotaryov was found at the Dyatlov Pass with two hats, scarf, short, long sleeve shirt, black sweater and a coat with two upper buttons unbuttoned.
It was fairly clear that the guy didn't die from the cold.
On the contrary the den was pretty warm place for him.
His lower part of the body was protected by underwear, two pairs of pants and a pair of skiing pants.
He had a copy of newspapers, several coins, compass, and other few items.
His legs were protected by a pair of socks and a pair of warm leather hand made shoes known as "burka".
They probably couldn't keep him warm for a long time, but in the den it was sufficient in keeping the man alive.
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Semyon Zolotaryov injuries
  1. eye balls are missing
  2. missing soft tissues around left eye brow, size 7x6 cm, bone is exposed
  3. open wound on the right side of the skull with exposed bone, 8x6 cm in size
  4. flail chest, broken ribs 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 on the right side, two fracture lines

 

Additionally the body of Zolotaryov had a camera around his neck as it is clearly seen on the pictures.
According to hearsay that this camera became a complete surprise to Yuri Yudin.
That he assumed the group had only four cameras that were found in the tent.
And all of a sudden a fifth camera turned out on the body.
Unfortunately melting water damaged the film.
But the question still lingers.
Why did Zolotaryov left the tent with the camera and why did he take two cameras to the trip?
One was used on daily basis and everyone saw it.
It was left in the tent and discovered there by the search party, but another was hidden throughout the journey and was found only after Semen Zolotarev have died.
The film was damaged by water so the question remains:
"What was so important that he captured on the slope of the mountain that day?"
He was also found holding a pen in one hand and a small notepad in the other.
Vladimir Askinadzi recalls that Colonel Ortyukov grabbed the notepad, looked at it, cursed and said:
"He’s written nothing."
He seems to be the only one that has seen the notepad.
The whereabouts of this notepad is unknown, it was never filed in evidence or seen by anyone else.
On the other hand we hear only from Askinadzi about the whole episode with the pen, notepad and Colonel Ortyukov, and that 59 years after the fact in a recent letter of Askinadzi to Ural Pathfinder magazine.
Both Zolotarev and Dubinina have an interesting pattern of injuries.
They are very similar in direction and force despite difference in shape, height and body composition of the two.
This would suggest that whatever caused these injuries was not a single uniform event.
Еxcerpt from the interrogation of forensic expert of the Regional Forensic Investigation Bureau Boris Vozrozhdenny led by Junior Counselor of Justice and Criminal Prosecutor of Sverdlovsk region, Lev Ivanov, on May 28, 1959:
How is it possible to explain the cause of the damage to Dubinina and Zolotaryov?
Is it possible to combine them into one cause?
I think the character of the wounds on Dubinina and Zolotaryov – a multi-splintered fracture of the ribs – on Dubinina were bilateral and symmetrical, and on Zolotaryov were one-sided.
Both had hemorrhaging into the cardiac muscle with hemorrhaging into the pleural cavity, which is evidence of them being alive [when injured] and is the result of the action of a large force, similar to the example used for Tibo.
These wounds, especially appearing in such a way without any damage to the soft tissue of the chest, are very similar to the type of trauma that results from the shock wave of a bomb.
How long could Dubinina and Zolotaryov have lived?
Dubinina died 10-20 minutes after the trauma.
She could have been conscious.
Sometimes it happens that a person with a wound to the heart (for example, a serious knife wound) can talk, run and ask for help.
Dubinina’s situation was one of complicated traumatic shock resulting from the bilateral rib fracture, with subsequent internal hemorrhaging into the pleural cavity.
Zolotaryov could have lived longer.
It needs to be taken into account that they were all trained, physically fit, and strong people.
 

Alexander Kolevatov (24)

 

The body of Aleksander Kolevatov was well insulated, but he was missing a hat and shoes.
His upper torso was protected by a sleeveless shirt, long sleeved shirt, sweater, fleece sweater and ski jacket with a zipper and buttons.
Ski jacket was damaged.
A big hole on the left sleeve had burnt edges and measured 25x12x13 cm.
His right sleeve was also damaged.
Several tears 7-8 cm were found.
The jacket was unbuttoned and unzipped.
A strange finding for person who was supposedly dying from cold and hypothermia.
During autopsy following objects were retrieved from his pockets: key, safety pin, some blank paper (probably to keep a record of his thoughts or events) and two packages of pills (soda and codeine).
The lower part of the body had shorts, light pants, ski pants and another pair of canvas pants.
From the right pocket doctors retrieved a box of matches that was soaked wet.
His feet as it was mentioned had no shoes, but they were protected by home knitted woolen socks with sights of fire damage.
His right foot was also protected by a light sock underneath a woolen one.
His left foot had similar three socks.
Additionally a bandage was discovered on the left ankle, but it was probably put before the Dyatlov Pass Incident since the group left their first aid kit in the tent.
The waistband of his sweater and the lower parts of his trousers later tested radioactive.
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Aleksander Kolevatov injuries
  1. lack of soft tissues around eyes, eyebrows are missing, skull bones are exposed
  2. broken nose
  3. open wound behind ear, size 3x1.5 cm
  4. deformed neck
  5. diffuse bleeding in the underlying tissues of the left knee (not shown on diagram)
  6. softened and whitened skin (maceration) of the fingers and feet, sign consisted with putrefaction in a wet environment
  7. overall skin had a gray green color with a tinge of purple

 

This autopsy had similar strange silence about the injuries of the victim.
Broken nose, open wound behind the ear and deformed neck might be the result of a fight and be cause of death.
On the other hand it could have been caused by natural elements since the body was exposed to nature for three whole months.
Yet the doctor ignores this matter and doesn't try to explain the reason for these strange injuries.
We should probably add that snapped neck and blow behind the ear is a common sign of killing performed by special forces.
However we can't be sure about this since the autopsy report didn't specify any more details about the body.
We are left guessing on the nature and origin of these injuries.
 

Nikolai Thibeaux-Brignolle (23)

 

Nikolay Thibeaux-Brignolle was well protected against coldness of Siberian winter.
It was suggested that he and Zolotarev might have been outside of the tent at the time mysterious threat struck them.
This explains why both tourists wore shoes and were covered by several layers of clothes.
Both men were much better prepared than the rest of the group when they were forced to abandon their tent.
Nikolay wore a canvas fur hat and home knitted woolen hat.
Upper body was protected from coldness by shirt, wool sweater worn inside out and a fur jacket on a sheepskin.
Woolen gloves were found in the right pocket along with three coins, comb and several pieces of paper.
Lower part of the body was protected by underwear, sweat pants, cotton pants and ski pants.
On his feet he wore hand-knitted woolen socks and a pair of felt boots (valenki), Russian winter shoes perfect for Siberian coldness.
Additionally Nikolay Thibeaux-Brignolle wore two watches on his left arm.
One stopped at 8:14 and another at 8:39.
Cadaveric spots were discovered on the back of the upper body, neck and upper extremities.
Face hair length up to 1cm.
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Nikolai Thibeaux-Brignolle injuries
  1. multiple fractures to the temporal bone, with extensions to the frontal and sphenoid bones, the close up of the fractures to the skull is shown on the picture
  2. bruise on the upper lip on the left side
  3. hemorrhage on the lower forearm, size 10x12 cm

 

Vozrozhdenny, who undertook the autopsy, excluded accidental fall on the rock as a possible cause for such a massive and unusual fracture.
From what kind of force could Tibo have received such damage?
In the conclusion, it’s shown the damage to Tibo’s head could have been the result of the throwing, fall or jettisoning of the body.
I don’t believe these wounds could have been the result of Tibo simply falling from the level of his own height, i.e. falling and hitting his head.
The extensive, depressed, multi-splintered (broken fornix and base of the skull) fracture could be the result of an impact of an automobile moving at high speed.
This kind of trauma could have occurred if Tibo had been thrown and fallen and hit his head against rocks, ice, etc., by a gust of strong wind.
Is it possible that Tibo was hit by a rock that was in someone’s hands?
In this case, there would have been damage to the soft tissue, and this was not evident.
How long could Tibo have lived after the trauma.
Could he have moved on his own, talked, etc.?
After this trauma, Tibo would have had a severe concussion; that is, he would have been in an unconscious state.
Moving him would have been difficult and, close to the end, movement would not have been possible.
I believe he would not have been able to move even if he had been helped.
He could only have been carried or dragged.
He could have shown signs of life for 2-3 hours.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#18871 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 08 maj 2018 - 21:39 w Ogólne

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#18870 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 08 maj 2018 - 21:30 w Ogólne

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The Researchers of the Ravine
The documents in the case file are pointing to different dates for when bodies of Dubinina, Zolotaryov, Kolevatov and Thibeaux-Brignolle are found.
The place seem to be well photographed, but you will be surprised how many discussions currently exist on the fact where exactly is this location.
Expeditions go, measure and build theories and models.
Here are some of them.
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Upper row: Vitaliy Kuznetsov (operator), Evgeniy Buyanov (writer), Aleksey Koskin (researcher); Middle row: Vladimir Borzenkov (researcher), Vladimir Makarov (tourist), Alexander Kuntsevich (tourist), Leonid Rokotyan (technician); Lower row: Anatoliy Mohov (search 1959), Yuri Kuntsevich (head of Dyatlov foundation), Yuri Yudin (10th member of Dyatlov group), Vladimir Shikobonga (scout, UPI student); August 12, 2008 - photographer Vitaliy Gavrichev (researcher)
 
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The image below is a blow up of the general area where the ravine is.
Researchers are using as check points some characteristic trees that appear on the 1959 photos form the search, but more than 5 decades past before any attempts were made to pin point the location.
Why is that so important?
Because the terrain could give hints as for:
  • What is the easiest way to reach the den and to transport branches for the den
  • Were the bodies injured at this very place or were they transported from some place else
  • If moved from another place - how could it be done (from the slope, from the den, etc.)
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Cedar tree
 
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Triple tree
 
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Ficus
 
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Den (настил - russ.)
 
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Four in the ravine
 
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Location of the den according to Alexeenkov (Shura) and Sasha KAN
 
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Eastern and western sides of the creek. The green are the banks. LD head is pointing South
 
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Measurements taken in 2016 KAN expedition The stick painted in red and white can be seen in video by Alexeenkov (September 2012) embedded below (here is a frame), not to be confused with the pole with red from the photos (2016).
P4 is the stone 3m upstream (South) from the den.
M4 on some photos is where the bodies were found, point "1" on the profile
The numbered episodes from this video shot by Alexeenkov (Sasha) are marked with circles on the map below.
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Video

 

Video by Alexeenkov (Shura) https://www.youtube....aylist?list=...
September 2012. The creek https://www.youtube....MMEO0s&list=... 5:35 – 6:23: View on bodies-den location from the lower part of the creek 7:52 – 8:20: View on bodies-den location from the upper part of the creek
March 2013. The creek https://www.youtube....h?v=I_f_F1zTjSw 8:34 – 9:33: View on bodies-den location from the lower part of the creek 11:40 – 12:55: View on bodies-den location from the right (eastern) bank of the creek
February 2014 https://www.youtube....h?v=sH-3jOO9QI0 00:05 – 00:35: View on bodies location from the den location
https://www.youtube....h?v=FAuxkkISqmI 10:52 – 11:17: View from the den location and lower then bodies location
 

Photos

 

Photos by КАН in a forum http://russia-parano....php?topic=4361
Photos by КАН (Expedition 2016) https://fotki.yandex...1/album/546341/
 

Map of the ravine by Vladimir Borzenkov

 

Vladimir Borzenkov has presented his version of events in the fateful night forum.dyatlovpass.com.
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Ravine by Vladimir Borzenkov
Legend
  1. The first right (near) stream inflow to 4 triburaty to Lozva
  2. The second right (distant) stream inflow to 4 triburaty to Lozva
  3. The left stream inflow to 4 triburaty to Lozva
  4. Where the clothes are found near the cedar
  5. The expedition in 2009 found a knife presumambly dropped there in 1959
  6. This is where the 4 bodies were found in May 1959 according to the version of some researchers
  7. The location where the 4 bodies were found in May 1959 according to my version. Here is a sudden fall in the 4 triburaty to Lozva. It corresponds better to the photo made in 1959. Another consideration is the position of the sun on the known pictures from 1959 and the time the pictures was taken.
  8. Place of a high slope (8 m or 26 ft heights)
  9. Th epoint from which this photo was taken in March 1959
  10. Mouth of the second right (distant) stream
  11. Search team camp in May 1959
  12. Area of deep snow in February 1959. Without having skis Dyatlov team could not have pass any further.

 

Notes from the editor:
  • Vladimir Borzenkov came up with a method for drawing maps on the spot. All the maps of this type are his. Other researchers draw on top of them their versions and that is why sometimes altitudes and GPS coordinates don't seem to be possible. That's because they all use Borzenkov's map but their own measurements which Vladimir says often happen without inputting error measurements into amateur and civil GPS devices.
  • More detailed map by Vladimir Borzenkov.
  • In all his maps there is a red or purple arrow across the map pointing to N, which I have removed on the images on this site. This is the magnetic North which on this particular place is 19,5°. Please refer to the forum for the detailed explanation he had offered on all this.

 

 
How did the events unflod
"Lyuda, Semyon and Alexander Kolevatov found wounded Tibo on the third stone ridge (there where the lantern on Maslennikov's scheme is designated) and carry him from there following the easiest and most even way.
In this area this is the most probable way.
They have come on a place which I have marked as "Place of crash".
From there the cedar is well visible in the afternoon.
At night the reflexion of the fire lit by Georgiy and Yuri will be well visible.
From the top the edge of the slope of white snow against white snow is badly visible.
When they walked further ahead they didn't notice it and while carrying Tibo the whole group have rolled down the slope.
Lyuda and Semyon were injured.
Only Alexander Kolevatov remained mobile and carried all three in the direction of the fire.
Kolevatov made a temporary den to lay them down on branches and not directly on the snow, so he can move them one by one to the fire. he went to the fire, saw Georgiy and Yuri have died, gathered some clothes to bring back to the injured in the den and lost some pieces in the process of returning back.
These two pieces of clothing were found in May before the bodies were found.
The work Kolevatov did was very exhausting, he didn't manage to transfer not a single person form the den to the fire.
The strength of a man is not infinite even in survival mode."
 
Map of the ravine by Alexey Rakitin
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Map by Alexey Rakitin - authour of the book "Dyatlov Pass" 1 - cedar, 2 - cut pants and sweaters, 3 - bodies 4 - the den. "P" the direction to the tent. Distances: R1 - the distance from the cedar to the edge of the forest, R2 - the shortest distance from the cedar to the ravine, R3 - the distance from the cedar to the cut pants and sweater, R4 - the distance from the cut pants and sweater to where the bodies were found, R5 - the distance between the bodies and the den, R6 - the distance from the den to the cedar. The blue dashed lines show the area where the fir trees where crushed to carry branches for the flooring of the den.
 
Map of the ravine by Mihail Sharavin
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Map by Mihail Sharavin
Map by Mihail Sharavin - member of the search party that found the first bodies of Doroshenko and Krivonishenko, 2m from the cedar, the tree being between the tent and the bodies.
When the bodies of Dubinina, Kolevatov, Thibeaux-Brignolle and Zolotaryov were found Sharavin made a note of what he thought is the location of the bodies, a reconstruction made by NAVIG in 2009 shows den and bodies north-west from the tree and not south-east as shown in Rakitin's map.
Why are these maps so important?
The slop of the ravine has a 5-7 m drop to a rock bottom of creek 1 (on Sharavin's map) which could have let to a dangerous fall in the dark and caused the traumas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#18862 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 07 maj 2018 - 23:21 w Ogólne

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Galina Sazonova - participant in Zolotaryov’s exhumation
Galina Sazonova in her own words:
“I am a doctor (GP pediatrician) with 20 yeas experience.
We moved to Vietnam in 2007, since that time I have been working in SOS International in Saigon .
I have a privet practice now.
I'm interesting in this story for 5 years now.
In 2014-2015 Russian official forensic expert Eduard Tumanov confirmed some of my suppositions about the traumas, but we didn't have enough information about the rib fractures to understanding how it was possible to get this injury.
Exhumation gave answers for some questions.
We saw the ribs and understood how each rib was fractured.
We established 3 fractures of the R scapula (Vozrozhdenny didn't describe this injuries in 1959).
Sergey Nikitin's conclusion is "it was one single impact, Zolotarev was laying on the back at that moment (scapula fractures)"
I don't agree
I suppose its could be two successive blows.
But I'm not expert
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GS: Sergey Nikitin is one of the famous specialist of scull reconstruction and body identification.
Please remember, that the main question of the exhumation was identification of the body.
Not assessment of traumas which regulated by different law.
We are lucky that soft tissue is not preserved and we could see the bones in excellent condition.
If soft tissue has been preserved we would not have the right to clean bones for examination.
Chest injury has to be seen as a complex, we are looking for a forensic expert specialized in this type of trauma assessment for second opinion.”
Q: It appears that you had limited time and the bones did not leave the cemetery.
GS: Any remains except a little piece of bone for further DNA tests, were laid back in the new grave.
The tomb of Zolotaryov is indeed Zolotaryov's grave.
And we tried to make a good job of putting everything back together with great respect.
This is purely to straighten the official records.
It had to be proven that this is his grave not just a piece of land with tombstone.
Now there will be a procedure to confirm that this is Zolotaryov's grave with the DNA comparison with the DNA of family members.
Only then, after the paperwork is properly filed in the registry will the family have the right to do anything with the grave or transfer the remains somewhere else, if they want to.
Q: Can it be established whether the damage to Zolotaryov's rib cage was made by one single impact, or several blows?
GS: According to expert Nikitin, this was a one-time sudden impact to a person lying on his back.
My opinion is that there could be two different strong blows.
We are currently seeking second opinions of other experts.
Ribs break down constructively due to a certain flexibility.
At the point of direct impact there will be an extensor fracture, but the rib will be slightly bent and at a certain distance there will be a remote flexural fracture forming a second line.
With a strong impact, two additional lines may appear as in this case.
Sergey Nikitin, forensic medical expert, says that that as a result of applying force on the front to the right of the sternum (extensor fractures), there will be structural flexion in the axillary line (these are the points of maximum physiological bending), and no questions about the shoulder blade on the back.
His theory is that Zolotaryov lies on his back, something presses from front to back, brakes the bones both in front and back.
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GS: And I do not agree with this. Firstly, it is not mentioned in any literature that as a result of such compression the scapula will break at all.
And secondly, Sergey Nikitin did not project this onto the skeleton as a whole, taking into account the position of the bones relative to each other.
And then the shoulder blade for some reason breaks where the ribs do not break.
My opinion is that Zolotaryov suffered two different blows.
First on the back to the area of ​​the protruding ridge.
The ridge is strong, withstood, but from it up and down went the cracks in the form of a triangle (this is the break from the blow on the shoulder and it is described a lot in the literature), and then there was a second blow - in the chest area.
GS: We expected that there would be zink (galvanized) coffin.
No traces of zink what so ever.
There was a lot of wood, but individual chips measuring up to 10-15 cm and up to 3-5 cm in thickness, and they crumbled into dust right away.
Yellowish orange. It is visible on the video, if you look closely.
The bones were not in a pile but the order expected to find a grave if the body was laid normally.
The bones of the legs were in one end of the grave, the skull - in the opposite.
The skull was almost the last piece we found, slightly on the side.
We searched for the tooth, but it can also be fallen into the dirt to the side.
The hole had no dirt whatsoever, and yet on the dirty lower jam you can't even see the "false" tooth cap.
The grave. First there was the earth.
Then the stones.
Then again the earth about 30 cm, very friable, almost sand.
And in it - bones.
There is the impression that they threw earth on the coffin, then stones and then again earth.
When we saw the stones, we were very much afraid that we will find everything crushed.
However, all the bones are in surprisingly excellent condition.
We even found the notorious thyroid cartilage (!) and it was not damaged.
Buttons are simple plastic, black.
Cheap, no studs.
The rope ...
I wouldn't call it a rope, but a narrow ribbon.
Either from a nylon, or from silk.
You know the kind that is denser on the edges?
The edge is dense.
When I get home I'll look online for something similar.
It doesn't look like a piece of clothing.
Gravediggers immediately said that his hands were tied together.
They have a great experience in exhumations.
They are a special dedicated team, not some not enthusiasts.
The shoe soles.
I can't say what were they made of.
Either skin, or a very dense feathered felt.
I somehow got the impression that these are special funerary slippers with a cloth top that decomposed.
Q: What's with the yellow orange color that persists throughout this whole case?
Do you have an explanation?
Can it be examined now that we can obtain a sample of it.
GS: You mean the orange color of the skin and clothes about which relatives talked about?
There can be no answer to this question now, because soft tissues have not been preserved at all, especially skin to give them for examination.
From clothes, too, there was nothing left, although for sure he was buried in other clothes, new.
Q: I meant in this paragraph you said the trigger word yellow orange color.
Nobody ask questions about this color?
It's orange again.
We expected that there would be zink (galvanized) coffin.
No traces of zink what so ever.
There was a lot of wood, but individual chips measuring up to 10-15 cm and up to 3-5 cm in thickness, and they crumbled into dust right away.
Yellowish orange.
It is visible on the video, if you look closely.
GS: No) this is what the rest of the tree looks like. In the beginning, in the first interview, Natalya said "there was no coffin."
She meant that the coffin was not preserved.
Then I wrote that we saw the remains of the coffin in the form of yellowish splinters.
Because then they will be able to see in the photo against the background of a darker land.
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GS: The rope ... I would not call it a rope, but a narrow ribbon.
Either from a nylon, or from silk.
Do you know when it's so denser on the edges?
The edge is dense. It looks like a piece of clothing.
Gravediggers immediately said - they tied their hands together.
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Natalya Varsegova posted in taina.li
Q: Was this rope tied in a knot(s) and found in the chest (or feet) area or was the rope loose in the grave?
What was the length of the rope?
There is a common practice to tie the hands and feet of the body in the coffin.
If old generation relatives are present they start fussing about untying the corpse so s/he can move freely in the in the afterlife.
If the corpse was bound, does it mean there were no relatives at the burial to prompt them to untie it.
But wait, the coffin was closed, so why to tie a corpse in a closed coffin?!
GS: Rope-ribbon.
I did not noticed when did it appeared.
The land was thrown by two workers, we chose bones from the land that had been dumped.
Precisely not at the very beginning, but also much earlier than the appearance of the skull.
We started from the feet and walked to the head.
It was taken out of the earth by someone else.
Shoe soles were the first find.
The tape is not wider than 1 cm.
It is narrow.
In my opinion has a certain stiffness.
Was there brilliance?
Rather yes.
But it's dirty.
How long is it?
Who knows, I did not measure and did not see that someone would measure.
It looked all right.
Someone said "look, a rope.
" The workers immediately answered "his hands were tied".
The rope was not interesting to investigate, there was much more at stake.
It did not cause any conspiracy questions.
Moreover, I will add.
When I sifted the earth, it seemed to me that there were fragments of strongly decayed black dense tissue.
I do not know how to explain.
This is until the clump of land is not shredded, you see some structure.
When you take it in your hands everything turns into dust.
I personally expected that he would be buried in a military tunic, with shoulder straps.
Those and the mood I had in this direction.
Nothing to confirm my hopes.
Guys, there is a picture you draw and what you expect.
We were expecting zinc.
We expected a completely different state of the remains, the type of the general's version from Turkey.
We discussed what we would do if we preserved the mummified soft tissues.
This was the worst option, because we could not see the fractures.
And, excuse me, no one was going to build a fire and boil the bones in a bowler hat.
Who watched the series of dice - will understand what I mean.
When the bones went, and even in the state in which they went, I personally sighed with relief, because this arrangement was the most informative.
Unlike other options.
If only a little soft cloth were preserved on the skull, the superimposition method would be in question.
What happened was the most ideal option in terms of assessing injuries.
We concentrated on injuries.
The rope is not important.
It's part of the clothes or a burying accessory.
Q: There are a lot of discussions how come Zolotaryov's teeth were stained as a smoker but he is not smoking on the photographs we have of him.
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Although Valentin Degterev (Валентин Дегтерёв) claims Zolotaryov is pulling a cigarette in this photo.
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GS: I do not see a problem.
Even if he did not smoke in 1959, it is not at all a fact that he did not smoke during the Second World War.
There really was a very specific plaque from the inside of the teeth, and I'm not sure that it would have been visible if there was gum.
Straight on the neck of the tooth.
Тhe expert mentioned the smoking right away.
We need to know that Nikitin doesn't follow Dyatlov case, he does not know anything about Semyon and evaluated him very impartially and professionally.
I generally admire the expert!
I have not been able to communicate with Tumanov (modern times forensic pathologist in Russia who revised the post mortem analyses of the last four bodies found) and there is no personal feeling.
Q: I know you mentioned that his grave seems to be in order, and that it's not likely that the case will be reopened, but do you think that if the experts deduce any sort of new evidence pointing to foul play that the Russian government may reopen it? Or do you think that this is simply unlikely due to the advance stage of decay in the body?
GS: Of course - no.
It didn’t make any difference if we found no body or 3 bodies in the grave, government has made the decision to close the case in 1959 and will continue keeping the secret.
GS: I don't think the grave was reopened.
Everything was done in 1959. Even if the grave was opened previously it could happened long time ago only while the body was still preserved.
It is impossible to put bones back to the grave in the position bones were found.
I was pretty sure we won’t not find the ribs. Semyon Zolotaryov autopsy report doesn’t say his chest was deformed.
But on this photo after the autopsy his chest looks very out of shape.
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Semyon Zolotaryov after the autopsy
Lyuda's chest on the other hand looks normal even though she has more fractures.
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Lyudmila Dubinina after the autopsy
It looks like Vozrozhdenny took out Zolotaryov’s rib's complex for additional investigation or tests.
I was surprised to see all the ribs in the grave without and traces of surgical manipulation.
Expert could have done it but he didn't.
 
 
 

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#18857 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 06 maj 2018 - 21:27 w Ogólne

Zolotaryow's camera - Three heads

 

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#18852 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 05 maj 2018 - 22:51 w Ogólne

There is inconsistency even about the date when the last 4 bodies were found.

 

 

Case file sheet 386 says they were found on May 4.

 

We have two telegrams saying this happened on May 5th which is supported by "Protocol of the location of corpses" (sheet 341) made on May 6th when representatives of the Prosecutor's Office and the Investigation Department were notified, so most probably the date is May 5th.

 

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#18842 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 03 maj 2018 - 21:24 w Ogólne

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Chicken a la Otorten
 
Text and photos from Vladimir Askinadzi personal archive and memoirs "We are the last of the Mohicans ..."
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Colonel Ortyukov was dubbed "Colonel Otorten" - morning briefing for the first half of the day
When they dropped us off with helicopters, we brought with us a large number of products.
We did not starve. Ortyukov, as a military man, created the institute of orderlies to prepared food, for which they were released on that day from searches.
I remember the feast of the 1st of May.
Ortyukov was persuaded to give us two days of rest, explaining that even the slaves in ancient Rome were given rest days.
He agreed.
He didn't have a choice.
He himself was tired to death.
After all, in addition to physical exertion, he had a load of very serious responsibility.
The authorities constantly pressed for results.
At this time, I suggested to Nikolai, the supervisor of the soldiers, to keep watch, so he can give rest to others.
We arranged a holiday dinner.
Here is a photo with me holding a partridge in my hand.
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Vladimir Askinadzi holding a partridge that will make their May 1st holiday dinner
We beat the partridge directly with ski poles.
These animals are absolutely not frightened!
All the dead birds were kept in the snow until the holidays.
We killed near dozen.
And here is a recipe for Otorten roast: take 1.5 kg of butter, melt it in a bucket (preferably not zinc), wait until when you throw a piece of meat it starts sizzling, put into the oil the whole gutted partridges.
If the oil doesn't cover all the meat, add the required amount.
The result is partridge fri (fried - ed. note).
Everyone liked the dish.
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Vladimir Askinadzi and Nikolay Kuznetzov cooking partridge a la Otorten
We tried again, this time with a grouse (that Kurikov caught - ed. note), and the result was as good.
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Askinadzi holding the grouse caught by Stepan Kurikov - on the photo from left Stepan Kurikov, Tolya Mohov, Vladimir Askinadzi and Vadim Fyodorov
But after dinner, we were on our own.
Our dog breeder, who didn't have a dog, therefore slept for days, was very fond of telling anecdotes, and his bed was in the far corner of the tent.
He liked telling anecdotes, but could not. A good anecdote can knock you down with one sentence, and his jokes could last for half an hour.
After a while he got on our nerves and we had no more patience.
We called at him "shut up !!", but he is like deaf, continues to babble, like a chanter.
He scrupulously described the clothes of the characters taking part in his story, what was the weather.
In general, he got fed up with him.
When we couldn't stand his jokes no more, somebody, and sometimes I, grabbed a felt boot and threw it into the dark corner.
It was impossible to miss.
It you threw the felt boot hard enough into the side of the tent, it slid down on the wall right onto the narrator.
This wasn't pleasant to those who lay closer to him, that included Ortyukov.
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Nikolay Kuznetzov, Yuri Delevich, Vladimir Askinadzi, Boris Suvorov and Tolya Mohov
Then in the evenings, we got tired, of course, and after dinner fell fast asleep without dreams.
We were young!
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#18832 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 30 kwiecień 2018 - 22:21 w Ogólne

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The secret of Dyatlov Pass.
It was a very powerful blow.
"Komsomolskaya Pravda" received the first results of exhumation of the body of Semyon Zolotaryov
All rights belong to Komsomolskaya Pravda.
Authors Nikolai Varsegov, TV and radio presenter Anton Chelyshev and Natalya Varsegova.
Photo correspondent Aleksey Bulatov
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Expert Sergey Nikitin conducting a skull superimposition
In recollection, nine tourists leaded by Igor Dyatlov went on a trek in the winter of 1959 in the mountains of the Northern Urals.
A month later the rescuers discovered their cut tent.
And in a radius of one and a half kilometers from it - five frozen bodies.
The corpses of the rest were found only in May.
Almost all the tourists were stripped and half-dressed.
Some had fatal injuries.
It is not clear even to these days why the hikers ran away at a severe cold to their demise.
On April 12 at the Ivanovskoe Cemetery in Yekaterinburg, we exhumed the body of one of the most mysterious members of Dyatlov's group - Semyon Zolotaryov.
We will talk for the time being with the prefix - presumably - Zolotaryov, because DNA expertise is not yet ready.
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The very moment when the skull was found
We are asked: why did you do this?
We answer:
  1. Identify who lies in the grave under a tomb sign "Semyon Zolotaryov". There are no documents for this burial either from relatives or from the service of urban cemeteries. And it became absolutely unclear whether someone was buried there.
  2. And if we find remains in the grave, then we can evaluate the nature of the injuries of the skeleton.

 

At our request, exhumation was conducted by forensic expert of the Moscow Bureau of Forensic Expertise Sergey Nikitin.
Also at the cemetery was a tragedy researcher, doctor Galina Sazonova.
We talked with them on the radio "Komsomolskaya Pravda" (97.2 Moscow), where they commented on the first results of the examinations.
Here is the transcript of the conversation.
 

Where did the stones come from?

 

Sergey Nikitin (SN): The grave turned out to be very peculiar.
There was even a question, whether such burial is typical.
It turned out that the grave was covered 90 percent with large pieces of granite and sprinkled with fine granite.
Correspondents (Cor): There is talk that the grave was opened, and then it was simply filled up with stones.
SN: I believe that in Ivanovskoe Cemetery almost all the graves are covered with stones, as it is on the mountain.
When all the stones were extracted, we found the skeleton, which lies in the position on the back, legs - to the east.
This is Orthodox orientation.
They began to extract the bones of the skeleton.
Galina and I laid out the bones in anatomical order on the sheets of cardboard.
In particular, Galina was laying out his ribs.
I was at that time handling the skull.
It had to be washed and drained.
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Galina Sazonova laying down the ribs
Cor: You took the skull in your hands and immediately said that it was the skull of a man and he was 35-40 years old.
SN: In such studies, the first questions to answer are: gender, age and race type of the person.
So this skeleton belongs to a man, the age is within 35-40 years, the racial type is europeoid.
Even individual bones can be the object of age determination.
But the most informative is the skull, and then - the teeth.
More correctly, their degree of deterioration.
They allow you to more objectively and accurately determine the age with a special table.
The skeleton of this man was within 35-40 years.
And Zolotaryov should have turned 38 years old.
We also estimate the dental status.
We evaluate the traces of dental intervention.
Absolutely, the condition of the teeth corresponded to that described at the autopsy in 1959.
The same crowns of stainless steel on the same teeth.
Cor: There was one interesting crown.
SN: Yes, a kind of crown of the seventh tooth, the adjacent tooth was on the same root.
And this crown is on the second root.
These are the particulars of the dentist's approach.
Apparently, he decided that it would be most efficient to intervene in this way.
Cor: Can this false crown be a spy tab?
Sorry for this question, but it is asked on the forums.
SN: These are just features of the dental work.
The doctor decided to preserve the roots as much as possible, so that the person could chew more fully.
Galina Sazonova (GS): Are crowns like this common in places of detention?
(There is a version that instead of Semyon is buried a runaway convict - ed. note)
SN: There is nothing unusual in this dental work.
Somewhat above average.
Nothing remarkable or different.
Conventional crowns are made of stainless steel.
GS: I helped only at the first stage, when they were still cleaning the bones from the ground, working with a brush.
I did preliminary filtration of the bones.
I did not do the expert layout of the skeleton.
I have a question: where did the front tooth go?
SN: This loss occurred on April 12 this year, in the process of extracting the skull from the grave.
We did not have time to look for it.
He remained in the grave.
GS: Were there any other damajes to the skull?
SN: The skull was not damaged.
All the traumatas occurred on the chest.
GS: Why isn't there any hair?
SN: This is a particular phenomenon.
In some graves, hair is preserved under certain conditions.
Even after hundreds of years, hair is perfectly preserved.
And in other graves the hair is gone.
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Expert Sergey Nikitin washes the skull for the superimposition forensic method
PERFECT MATCH
Cor: Can you tell us more about the this forensic method, superimposition, that you are using?
SN: This method was developed in 1956 by Yuri Mikhailovich Kubitsky, a Soviet military expert.
He suggested that you can identify a person by putting a photographic image on the image of the skull.
The skull is on the stand in front of the camera.
At that time, the negative of the image was superimposed on the frosted glass of the viewfinder.
By rotating, moving the skull and moving away, approaching it with respect to the lens, the skull was inscribed along the points, the contours were compared.
And then we look at the conjunction of the contours.
Cor: What are the points where the images match?
SN: The main points are the ears, the corners of the eyes, under the nose, the point of the line of closure of the lips, under the chin, the contours of the parietal, the parietal-temporal, the temporal, the lower contour of the face.
There are a number of other points.
The maximum number of point to match are 24, if we have a high-quality photograph of a bald man and if the skull has no significant losses.
But for identification, 12 signs are sufficient provided that we know the sex of the person and his age.
In our case, there were 13 points.
This indicates those are the remains of Semyon Zolotaryov.
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The portrait of Semyon and the image of his skull coincided in 13 main positions
HE WAS LAYING ON SOMETHING SOLID
GS: In 1959, the forensic pathologist described that there were two fracture lines of Zolotaryov ribs.
"After the extraction of the organs from the thoracic and abdominal cavities, fractures of the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth ribs on the right along the parasternal line and midaxillary line are determined."
How much did it coincide with what we saw?
SN: This coincided almost completely.
Except for a small minor amendment.
I would define the axillary line not as an average, but as a back axillary line.
Some bones were not examined.
We looked at the right shoulder blade, there were three fractures.
The act of this was not noted.
I assumed first that this is a posthumous injury.
The whole grave was covered with pieces of granite, the pressure on the bones of the skeleton can't be ignored.
But then I reassessed, because the left shoulder was intact.
If there were posthumous damages, it is logical to assume that both the left shoulder blade would be broken and in general would be other multiple fractures on the bones of the skeleton.
GS: Yes, we did not see damages like that.
We found much more fragile bones.
Even thyroid cartilage.
And the skull itself is not crushed.
It turns out that this weight had no effect on the bones.
SN: During the burial after the funeral the stones were laid to form a vault.
They didn't press down.
The ribs were broken on the right, and the right shoulder blade.
This fits into the mechanism of fracture of the ribs.
GS: Is it correct to say that the chest as a construction can have structural fractures?
In other words, one blow could cause several fractures?
SN: This indicates that at the contact zone, the impact exceeded the sizes from the first to the sixth rib.
It was a large heavy mass.
Most likely, snow.
GS: Can you determine when this injury took place?
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Photo of Zolotoryov's grave in 1959
SN: The presence of blood in the pleural cavity of Zolotaryov unequivocally indicates that he was alive.
GS: In what position was the person at the time of injury??
SN: It can be undoubtedly said that he was lying on his back.
And the traumatic effect occurred from front to back, maybe some what from right to left.
GS: The surface on which the person was lying was relatively firm?
SN: Yes.
It is unlikely that he was lying in the snow.
GS: You found that not all ribs are broken equally.
Is it possible to say that the force that acted on the thorax in full force acted where the ribs are completely broken?
And where they are not broken, it seems like the impact was lower?
SN: At a similar compression and at similar fractures on an axillary line of a rib have broken as a result of excessive bending.
This is called the flexural nature of the fractures.
In the parasternal line, the character of the fractures was extensor.
This suggests that the traumatic event occurred at the time when the person was lying on his back, and suggests the direction where the mass came from.
GS: Like as if squeezed a concrete slab? Or is it from the compression of a blow?
There is a version that a lot of snow has fallen.
SN: Was it impact or slow squeezing that took some time?
When the corpse is examined not to the extent of decomposition in which the corpse of Zolotaryov was at the time of the autopsy, there are soft tissues, subcutaneous fatty tissue, one can estimate the hemorrhage into the subcutaneous fatty tissue.
If it was a blow, we would see hemorrhages in the muscles and subcutaneous fatty tissue.
If this mass of the snow layer type squeezed gradually, it is unlikely that we would see hemorrhaging.
GS: Hemorrhages were noted at the autopsy.
And on histology, and in the act.
SN: This suggests that it was a sudden pressure, a velocity impact.
Not gradual.
Cor: It's like a blow, lets say, by a car?
SN: A car is a comparison.
In our case, we can say that this was the impact of a large mass.
GS: Could it be caused by explosive blast?
SN: It can be safely excluded.
Injuries would be of a different nature.
 
WHAT CAUSED THE FRACTURE?
Cor: On the tibia of the foot, a callus was found, which indicates an intravital fracture.
But there is an opinion that Semyon never had any injuries.
SN: During the investigation, a trace of a long-term intravital fracture of the right tibia in its middle part was found.
It is impossible to judge the limitation period of a fracture.
GS: Can you judge the nature of the healing from such callus?
SN: The two halves were aligned along the axis.
There was no dislocation.
The banal fracture.
Maybe he was formed in his childhood.
Zolotarev went through the whole war.
A bullet wound is unlikely, but we can't rule it out.
If the bullet shoots through the bone, it will be a defect - a shortening of the bone.
Photo of Semyon used by expert Sergey Nikitin for the skull superimposition
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Photo of Semyon used by expert Sergey Nikitin for the skull superimposition
FROM THE AUTHORS
Could a tourist with such traumas walk a mile and a half along the slope?
We thank Sergey Nikitin and Galina Sazonova for an interesting conversation, and the work done.
We want to add that in the certificate of death of Semyon Zolotaryov, issued on May 12, 1959 by the Registry Office of Yekaterinburg, to his mother, it appears that he died from "low temperature."
As the results of the examinations show, this is not the whole truth.
After the broadcast, we asked additional questions to expert Nikitin, to clarify the picture of what happened.
  • If we assume that a huge layer of snow came on top of, lets say, Semyon Zolotaryov, when he was in the tent, could he move with injuries of this nature?
  • I think he might some how. But this is unlikely for Lyuda Dubinina. She had a much bigger deformity of the chest and her injuries were worse.
  • When Semyon was found in the stream, there was a camera on his chest. A pretty heavy thing in those times. Could he have gone with such injuries and with a camera around his neck?
  • It is unlikely that the camera prevented him from moving. But we can not say with certainty where he suffered the rib injury. You can speculate this scenario. In the creek were found two people with rib fractures and another with a trauma to the skull. Therefore, we can not exclude the version that they dug out the den in the ravine, but the snow collapsed and covered them.

 

However, we still have to thoroughly examine the nature of the injuries of Semyon's ribs.
We plan to conduct a more thorough examination of the skeleton based on photo and video materials that were shot during the exhumation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#18830 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 29 kwiecień 2018 - 21:39 w Ogólne

Тайна перевала Дятлова.

 

Это был удар большой силы

«Комсомолка» получила первые результаты эксгумации тела, предположительно, Семена Золотарева
 
 

 
 
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Напомним, зимой 1959 года в горах Северного Урала пропали девять туристов, ушедших в поход под руководством Игоря Дятлова.

 

Через месяц спасатели обнаружили их разрезанную палатку.

 

А в радиусе полутора километров от нее - пять замерзших тел.

 

Трупы остальных нашли только в мае.

 

Почти все туристы были разутые и полураздетые.

 

У некоторых - смертельные травмы.

 

До сих пор не разгадано, почему ребята убежали на лютый мороз и на свою погибель.

 

 

"Комсомольская правда" организовала эксгумацию тела самого загадочного члена группы Дятлова: Продолжение расследования

 
 

12 апреля на Ивановском кладбище Екатеринбурга мы провели эксгумацию тела одного из самых загадочных участников группы Дятлова - Семена Золотарева.

 

Будем пока что говорить с приставкой – предположительно – Золотарева, поскольку еще не готова экспертиза ДНК.

 

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Тот самый момент, когда был найден черепФото: АЛЕКСЕЙ БУЛАТОВ

Нас спрашивают: зачем вы это сделали?

 

Отвечаем:

 

1. Установить личность того, кто лежит в могиле под памятным знаком с табличкой «Семен Золотарев».

 

Документов на это захоронение нет ни у родственников, ни в службе городских кладбищ.

 

А стало быть вообще неясно, захоронен ли кто-то там?

 

 

2. А если останки в могиле есть, то оценить характер травм скелета.

 

По нашей просьбе эксгумацию проводил судебно-медицинский эксперт Московского бюро судебно-медицинской экспертизы Сергей Никитин.

 

Также на кладбище присутствовала исследователь трагедии, врач Галина Сазонова.

 

С ними мы и поговорили в эфире радио «Комсомольская правда» (97,2 Москва), где рассказали о первых результатах экспертиз.

 

Приведем расшифровку разговора.

 

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Эксперт Сергей Никитин моет череп для метода фотоналоженияФото: АЛЕКСЕЙ БУЛАТОВ

 

ОТКУДА ВЗЯЛИСЬ КАМНИ?

 

Сергей Никитин (СН): Могила оказалась очень своеобразной.

 

Возник даже вопрос, типично ли такое захоронение.

 

Оказалось, что могила на 90 процентов засыпана крупными кусками гранита и пересыпана мелкой гранитной крошкой.

 

Корреспонденты (Кор): Есть мнение, что могилу вскрывали, а потом просто завалили камнями.

 

СН: Я полагаю, что на Ивановском кладбище почти все могилы засыпаны камнями, так как оно находится на горе.

 

Когда все камни были извлечены, мы обнаружили скелет, который лежит в положении на спине, ногами - на восток.

 

Это православная ориентация.

 

Начали извлекать кости скелета.

 

На листах картона мы с Галиной раскладывали кости в анатомическом порядке.

 

В частности, Галина раскладывала ребра.

 

Я в это время занимался черепом.

 

Его надо было отмыть, посушить.

 

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Фото могилы Семена Золотарева на Ивановском кладбище, сделанное в 1959 году

Кор: Вы взяли в руки череп и сразу сказали, что это череп мужчины и ему 35-40 лет.

 

СН: При подобных исследованиях изначально решается вопрос: пол, возраст, расовый тип человека.

 

Так вот этот скелет принадлежит мужчине, возраст – в пределах 35-40 лет, расовый тип – европеоидный.

 

Даже отдельные кости могут быть объектом определения возраста.

 

Но наиболее информативным является череп, а на нем – зубы. Вернее, их степень изношенности.

 

Они позволяют более объективно и точно определить возраст по специальной таблице.

 

Скелет этого мужчины укладывался в пределы 35-40 лет.

 

А Золотареву должно было исполниться 38 лет.

 

Еще мы оцениваем стоматологический статус.

 

Оцениваем следы стоматологического вмешательства.

 

Абсолютно точно состояние зубов соответствовало тому, которое было описано при вскрытии в 1959 году.

 

Те же коронки из нержавеющей стали на тех же зубах.

 

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Фото Семена, по которому эксперт Сергей Никитин делал фотоналожение

Кор: Там была одна интересная коронка.

 

СН: Да, своеобразная коронка седьмого зуба, смежный зуб был на одном корне.

 

А эта коронка – на втором корешке.

 

Это особенности подхода стоматолога.

 

Видимо, он решил, что наиболее оптимально будет провести вмешательство таким образом.

 

Кор: Может ли эта фальшкоронка быть некой шпионской закладкой?

 

Извините за такой вопрос, но его задают на форумах.

 

СН: Это просто особенности стоматологического вмешательства.

 

Врач решил максимально сохранить корешки, которые имелись, чтобы человек мог более полноценно жевать.

 

Галина Сазонова (ГС): Характерны ли такие протезы для постановки в местах заключения?

 

(Есть версия, что вместо Семена похоронили беглого зека, - Ред.)

 

СН: Это обычная работа стоматолога.

 

Несколько выше среднего уровня.

 

Ничем замечательным она не отличается.

 

Обычные коронки из нержавеющей стали.

 

ГС: Я помогала только на первом этапе, когда еще очищали кости от земли, работали кисточкой.

 

Я делала предварительную фильтрацию костей.

 

Я не делала экспертную раскладку скелета.

 

Прошу вас ответить на вопрос: куда делся передний зуб?

 

СН: Эта потеря произошла 12 апреля нынешнего года, в процессе извлечения черепа из могилы.

 

У нас не было времени искать его.

 

Он остался в могиле.

 

ГС: Были ли другие повреждения черепа?

 

СН: Череп поврежден не был.

 

Вся травматизация пришлась на грудную клетку.

 

ГС: Почему не остались волосы?

 

СН: Это частное явление.

 

В каких-то могилах при определенных условиях волосы сохраняются.

 

Даже по прошествии сотен лет прекрасно сохраняются волосы.

 

А где-то они не сохраняются.

 

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Портрет Семена и изображение его черепа совпало по 13-ти основным позициямФото: АЛЕКСЕЙ БУЛАТОВ

 

 

ПОЛНОЕ СОВПАДЕНИЕ

 

Кор: Что такое метод фотоналожения, который вы использовали?

 

СН: Этот метод был разработан в 1956 году Юрием Михайловичем Кубицким, советским военным экспертом.

 

Он догадался, что можно идентифицировать человека, наложив фотографическое изображение на изображение черепа.

 

Череп находится на подставке перед фотоаппаратом.

 

В те времена на матовое стекло видоискателя накладывался негатив фотографии.

 

Путем вращения, перемещения черепа и отдаления-приближения его по отношению к объективу происходило вписывание черепа по точкам, сравнение контуров.

 

И после этого констатация, есть ли совпадение этих контуров.

 

Кор: По каким точкам совмещают изображение?

 

СН: Основные точки – ушные, точки углов глаз, подносовая точка, точка линии смыкания губ, подбородочная точка, контуры теменной, теменно-височный, височный, нижний контур лица.

 

Есть ряд других точек.

 

Максимально можно оценить около 24 признаков, если у нас есть качественная фотография лысого человека и если череп не имеет существенных утрат.

 

Но для опознания достаточно и 12 признаков при условии, что мы определяем пол человека и его возраст.

 

В нашем случае совпали 13 признаков.

 

Это говорит о том, что это останки Семена Золотарева.

 

 

ОН ЛЕЖАЛ НА ЧЕМ-ТО ТВЕРДОМ

 

ГС: В 1959 году эксперт описал, что линий переломов ребер у Золотарева было две.

 

«После извлечения органокомплекса из грудной и брюшной полости определяются переломы второго, третьего, четвертого, пятого, шестого ребер справа по окологрудинной и средней подмышечной линии».

 

Насколько это совпало с тем, что увидели мы?

 

СН: Это совпало практически полностью.

 

За исключением маленькой несущественной поправки.

 

Я бы определил подмышечную линию не как среднюю, а как заднюю подмышечную линию.

 

Некоторые кости не были исследованы.

 

Мы посмотрели правую лопатку, там были три перелома.

 

В акте этого отмечено не было.

 

Я предположил сначала, что это посмертная травма.

 

Вся могила была завалена кусками гранита, давление на кости скелета приличное.

 

Но потом я провел переоценку, ведь левая лопатка оказалась цела.

 

Если бы были посмертные повреждения, логично предположить, что были бы поломаны и левая лопатка, и множественные переломы вообще были бы других костей скелета.

 

ГС: Да, мы не видели этих повреждений.

 

Мы находили гораздо более хрупкие кости.

 

Даже щитовидный хрящ.

 

И сам череп не раздавлен.

 

Получается, этот вес не оказывал воздействия на кости.

 

СН: Камни в процессе укладки, при закапывании могилы после похорон сложились в виде свода.

 

Вниз они не давят.

 

Ребра были сломаны справа, и правая лопатка.

 

Это укладывается в механизм образования переломов ребер.

 

ГС: Правильно ли говорить о том, что мы оцениваем грудную клетку как конструкцию и говорим о конструкционных переломах?

 

То есть одно воздействие могло вызывать несколько переломов?

 

СН: Это говорит о том, что зона контакта, воздействия превышала размеры от первого до шестого ребра.

 

Это была большая тяжелая масса.

 

Скорее всего, снег.

 

ГС: Можно определить, когда были получены данные травмы?

 

СН: Наличие крови в плевральной полости у Золотарева однозначно говорит о том, что это было прижизненно.

 

ГС: В какой позе находился человек в момент получения травмы?

 

СН: Однозначно можно сказать, что он находился лежа на спине.

 

И травматическое воздействие происходило спереди назад, может быть, несколько справа налево.

 

ГС: Поверхность, на которой лежал человек, была относительно твердой?

 

СН: Да.

 

Маловероятно, что он лежал в снегу.

 

ГС: Вы обнаружили, что не все ребра сломаны одинаково.

 

Можно ли говорить, что сила, которая действовала на грудную клетку, максимально действовала там, где ребра сломаны полностью?

 

А там, где они не доломались, вроде как воздействие было ниже?

 

СН: При подобной компрессии и при подобных переломах по подмышечной линии ребра сломались в результате чрезмерного сгибания.

 

Это называется сгибательный характер переломов.

 

По окологрудинной линии характер переломов был разгибательный.

 

Это говорит о том, что травматическое воздействие происходило в тот момент, когда человек находился лежа на спине, и подсказывает направление травмирующей массы.

 

ГС: Это вариант, как будто сдавило бетонной плитой?

 

Или это вариант ударной компрессии?

 

Есть версия, что упала большая масса снега.

 

СН: Было ли это ударное воздействие или медленное сдавливание в течение какого-то времени?

 

Когда исследуется труп не в такой степени изменения, в какой пребывал труп Золотарева на момент вскрытия, есть мягкие ткани, подкожная жировая клетчатка, то можно оценить кровоизлияние в подкожную жировую клетчатку.

 

Если бы это был удар, то мы бы увидели в мышцах и подкожной жировой клетчатке кровоизлияния.

 

Если это масса типа снежного слоя сдавливала постепенно, вряд ли мы это кровоизлияние увидели бы.

 

ГС: Кровоизлияния были отмечены при вскрытии.

 

И на гистологии, и в акте.

 

СН: Это говорит о том, что это было резкое сдавление, резкое воздействие.

 

Не постепенное.

 

 

Кор: Это похоже на удар, скажем, автомобиля?

 

СН: Автомобиль – это как сравнение.

 

В нашем случае можно говорить, что это было ударное воздействие большой массы.

 

ГС: Взрывная волна могла быть?

 

СН: Исключается полностью.

 

Травмы были бы другого характера.

 

 

ОТЧЕГО СЛУЧИЛСЯ ПЕРЕЛОМ?

 

Кор: На малой берцовой кости ноги была обнаружена костная мозоль, которая свидетельствует о прижизненном переломе.

 

Но есть мнение, что у Семена никогда не было травм.

 

СН: При исследовании был обнаружен след давнего прижизненного перелома правой малой берцовой кости в средней ее части.

 

О давности перелома судить невозможно.

 

ГС: Можно ли судить о характере заживления по такой костной мозоли?

 

СН: Две половины были сопоставлены по оси.

 

Смещения не было.

 

Банальный перелом.

 

Может, он в детстве образовался.

 

Золотарев прошел всю войну.

 

Пулевое ранение – вряд ли.

 

Хотя по-всякому могло быть.

 

Если пуля простреливает кость, это будет дефект – укорочение кости.

 

 

ОТ АВТОРОВ

МОГ ЛИ ТУРИСТ С ТАКИМИ ТРАВМАМИ ПРОЙТИ ПОЛТОРА КМ ПО СКЛОНУ?

 

Мы благодарим Сергея Никитина и Галину Сазонову за интересную беседу, за проделанную работу.

 

И хотим добавить, что в справке о смерти Семена Золотарева, выданной 12 мая 1959 года ЗАГСом Екатеринбурга маме Семена, значится, что он погиб из «действия низкой температуры».

 

Как показывают результаты проведенных экспертиз, это не вся правда.

 

После эфира мы задали дополнительные вопросы эксперту Никитину, чтобы уточнить картину произошедшего.

 

- Если предположить, что огромный пласт снега накрыл туриста, будем думать, Семена Золотарева, когда он лежал в палатке, то мог ли Золотарев передвигаться с такими травмами?

 

- Думаю, мог, но кое-как.

 

А вот Люда Дубинина вряд ли.

 

У нее произошла общая деформация грудной клетки и ее травмы были более сильными.

 

- Когда Семена нашли в ручье, то на его груди был фотоаппарат.

 

Достаточно тяжелая вещь по тем временам.

 

Мог ли он идти с такими травмами и с фотоаппаратом на шее?

 

- Вряд ли фотоаппарат мешал ему передвигаться.

 

Но мы не можем однозначно сказать, где он получил травму ребер.

 

Можно допустить такой вариант.

 

В ручье были найдены двое человек с травмами ребер и еще один с травмой черепа.

 

Поэтому нельзя исключить версию, что они выкопали пещеру в районе оврага, но снег обвалился и накрыл их.

 

Однако нам еще предстоит подробно разобрать характер травм ребер Семена.

 

Мы планируем провести более тщательную экспертизу скелета на основе фото- и видео материалов, которые были отсняты во время эксгумации.

 

Если вам.

 

Уважаемые читатели, что-то известно о Семене Золотареве или, может быть, ваши воевавшие отцы, деды упоминали эту фамилию, просим написать нам по адресам:vars@kp.rukonata@kp.ru

 

Либо звоните по телефону: 8(495)637-64-97 (доб. 2291).

 

 

В ТЕМУ

 

Скоро под перевалом Дятлова обнаружат секретный завод по производству химического оружия

 

Так предрекают наши корреспонденты, изучающие одну из тайн прошлого века

 

Вокруг загадочной трагедии на Северном Урале зимой 1959 года, когда погибли 9 туристов-лыжников, как и вокруг всякой громкой темы, мечется своя группа интернет-извращенцев.

 

Их забавляет делать всякие ложные вбросы по данной истории, а потом глядеть, как публика и даже иные СМИ обсуждают очередную глупость.

 

Уж сколько было «свидетелей, которые слышали от умирающего деда настоящую правду о гибели группы». (подробности)

 

 

Перевал Дятлова: Последний свидетель погибшей группы расскажет на детекторе лжи свою версию трагедии

 

В деле о смерти туристов в уральских горах по-прежнему остается немало странностей.

 

"Комсомолка" продолжает расследование загадочной истории «Комсомольская правда» и Первый канал уж давно ведут расследование этой трагедии. 

 

Недавно в программе «На самом деле» мы развеяли одну из версий, которую выдвигали иные исследователи – что самый старший участник того похода Семен Золотарев остался в живых и уехал в Израиль.

 

Назывался конкретный человек, который якобы раньше был Семеном Золотаревым.

 

Этого человека привезли в студию, где и выяснилось, что к Семену Золотареву он никакого отношения не имеет.

 

Так одним мифом стало меньше. (подробности)

 

 

 

Еще больше материалов по теме: «ПЕРЕВАЛ ДЯТЛОВА»

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#18823 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 27 kwiecień 2018 - 21:36 w Ogólne

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#18812 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 24 kwiecień 2018 - 22:24 w Ogólne

Tent 1957-1958

 

Treks in 1957 and 1958, same tent with the chimney of Dyatlov's custom made stove sticking out - photos from Dubinina's family archive.

 

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#18801 Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

Napisano przez fortyck w 23 kwiecień 2018 - 21:21 w Ogólne

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Questions about the tent

What was the mode of closing of the tent - buttons (пуговицы), straps?

 

Some sources say that the tent was found fastened and only two of the lower buttons were unfastened.
I can't find a document that says so.
Found an interview with Slobtsov from 6 May 2015 which doesn't make it any clearer.
In the case files it says
"From the left end of the tent there is a hole that serves as an entrance.
This hole is formed by two non-sewn halves of the fabric and from the inside is creped with a white sheet."
("С левого торца палатки имеется отверстие, служащее дверью.
Указаное отверстие образовано двумя не сшитыми половинками ткани и с внутренней стороны задрепировано белой простынью.")
Nothing more on the closing and how it was found, fastened (with what?) or not.
~ If Zolotaryov and Tibo went out to pee, saw something in the sky, Zolotaryov went back for his camera and called the rest to see the light show in the sky, that is why they were with no shoes and Tibo and Zolotrayov were wearing valenki.
But if the tent was fastened, I don't see the perpetrators going in and bother to fasten the tent unless they spend time inside and didn't want to be cold, which is far fetched.
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Dyatlov group tent mode of closing was with wooden toggles, but we don't have any clue if they were fastened or not
Answer:
The only reliable fact is that the tent had buttons, but special ones - wooden toggles (клеванты).
All other things - was the tent fastened or not etc. are just the wild guesses.
Was the tent cut on the other side?
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Are the cuts really see through?
Where that many tears on the back of the tent that we don't see?
Is there a document about this?
Source ~ If they allegedly cut the tent to escape there is no reason to cut it on both sides, not to this extend.
 
Answer:
When inspecting the tent, it is established that on its surface there are numerous damages, especially on the right slant of the canopy forming the roof /see scheme №1/.
( “При осмотре данной палатки установлено, что на её поверхности имеются многочисленные повреждения , особенно на правом скосе полотна, образующего крышу /см.схему №1/. “)
The word especially implies that were some cuts on the other side too, just not as many.
Was the tent tampered with?
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This photo is not from 1959, just visualizing my question.
Social media postings hard to link to build theories on the "fact" that the skis under the tent were not positioned properly i.e. were the wrong side up which would testify to the doctoring of the scene.
 
Answer:
Nothing suspicious.
On the contrary - testimonies from 1959 say that all was done quite professionally.
How steep was the slope where the tent was pitched
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original photograph
Official protocol report on the Dyatlov group tent:
"Tent site is located on the North- eastern slope of mountain 1079 (Kholat Syakhl official term) meters at the mouth of river Auspiya.
Tent site is located 300 meters from the top of the mountain 1079 with a slope of 30 °..."
 
Second read on the photos
Rescuers removed hikers belongings, folded the tent and carried them down the slope for the convenience of the subsequent evacuation.
From beneath the tent they removed three pairs of skis, two of which were given to the hunters Moiseev and Mostovoy that were transporting the items and one pair was used to mark the location of Dyatlov and Kolmogorova's bodies.
On the photos we can see captured this precise moment: the tent is completely disassembled and pushed to the side, out from under the skis of the hikers are removed, rescuers are moving down the slope.
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The two people standing to the left are journalist Yuri Yarovoy and the prosecutor criminologist Lev Ivanov.
This photo is especially valuable because it allows us to measure the steepness of the slope of the mountain Kholat Syakhl right where the tent was pitched.
The original photograph is tilted to the left, but the standing straight figures of Yarovoy and Ivanov can be used as a reference points to straighten the photo and measure the slope which is only 15 degrees.
This is not more than the angle of climbing for stairs and escalators.
 

Why the group pitched their tent at this spot on the night of the incident

 

 

Theory 1
On January 31, the group arrived at the edge of a highland area and began to prepare for climbing.
In a wooded valley they cached surplus food and equipment that would be used for the trip back.
The following day (February 1), the hikers started to move through the pass.
It seems they planned to get over the pass and make camp for the next night on the opposite side, but because of worsening weather conditions–snowstorms and decreasing visibility–they lost their direction and deviated west, up towards the top of Kholat Syakhl.
When they realized their mistake, the group decided to stop and set up camp there on the slope of the mountain, rather than moving 1.5 km (0.93 mi) downhill to a forested area which would have offered some shelter from the elements.
Yudin, the lone survivor, postulated that "Dyatlov probably did not want to lose the altitude they had gained, or he decided to practice camping on the mountain slope. "
 
Theory 2
It is judged, based on the weather information available, what had been written in their journals and on information about the group's progress by Yuri Yudin, that they would have reached the slopes of Kholat Syakhl sometime in the afternoon of 1 Feb.
At that latitude and time of year sunset is 1658, so it can be reasonably assumed that they got to the point were they pitched tent 60 minutes or so before then in order to give them time to erect the tent in daylight.
Their final destination was Mount Otorten, and it was not feasible for them to have continued on at night.
We can never know precisely why Dyatlov ordered the tent pitched were he did, but I doubt it was because they were lost.
They were in fact on the correct route to Otorten.
Also, if they managed to find their way about 1,500m to the treeline in the dark and in some difficulty after leaving the tent in a panic, they why could they not find their way to the treeline in daylight, and in good order?
It must be presumed, without evidence to the contrary, that Dyatlov had intended to pitch the tent on the slopes of Kholat Syakhl.
It is of course speculation that this was to give the group an extra challenge.
Another factor is that when dawn broke, their destination, Mount Otorten, would be visible from their tent.
This, after a difficult journey, would be good for moral as they could see their destination.
This of course is speculation, but I do not believe they were lost and bumbling about.
And to re-iterate, if they were lost, why could they make it to the treeline in the dark in a panic, and not in daylight in good order.
 
 
 
 
 

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