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Napisano 04 maj 2019 - 19:12

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Counting skis

 

In the University equipment inventory there is mentioning of one spare pair of skis.
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University equipment inventory Case files sheet 203
Yudin returned on his skis.
Ski professionals say that extra pairs of skis are essential for such a long route.
Traditionally, the last person in the line drags them behind with a rope.
In this photo we see Krivonischenko carrying skis on his back.
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Unknown camera from Dyatlov group film 5 frame 18
It was probably this extra pair that was used to make Kolevatov's sledge mentioned in their satirical propaganda leaflet Evening Otorten, see the Technical News section.
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Evening Otorten №1
The storage site where Dyatlov group left provisions for their way back and lighten their backpacks for the ascend is called "labaz".
Mansi rise platforms to store their game to pick it up later.
Dyatlov group labaz seems to be constructed in haste – in a snow pit, rather than in trees beyond the reach of animals, as it was more common.
In last entry of the group diary on January 31 Dyatlov wrote "I can't even start thinking of setting up a storage".
That can explain why the labaz was in this pitiful state.
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The storage found by Slobtsov and Kurikov on Mar 2, 1959
One item in particular raises questions: Dyatlov’s boots.
Why continue on ski without his boots?
Yudin’s answer was that, with this particular straps over the ski boots it was possible to ski in valenki and, moreover, Krivonischenko, for one, preferred to ski in his felt boots as well.
Then, presuming they will be on their skis the whole time an extra ski boots will make uncomfortable extra weight.
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2 Mar - Slobtsov and Kurikov found Dyatlov’s depot 400 m from the rescue camp
Their cache was found marked with pair of skis propped in the snow and a gaiter slipped onto it.
Here is sheet 8 from the Protocol inspection of the storage (labaz).
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Protocol inspection of the storage (labaz)
In the case files we have 3 different counts of the skis found at the tent and the labaz:
  • Feb 28, 1959 The protocol of the hikers camp site mentions 8 pair of skis on the bottom of the tent, no mentioning of spare pair of skis. Signed by Templaov.
    “Camp site site is located 300 meters from the top of the mountain 1079 on a slope of 30°. Camp site consists of a pad of flattened snow, on the bottom are stacked 8 pairs of skis. Tent is stretched on ski poles and fixed with ropes, at the bottom of the tent 9 backpacks were discovered with various personal items, jackets, rain coats, 9 pairs of shoes.”
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Protocol of the hikers camp site
  • Apr 15, 1959 Slobtsov who found the tent and the labaz, says "around the tent in the snow stood ski poles and spare skis - 1 pair" (sheet 298 back) and "a pair of spare skis" in the labaz (sheet 300).
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Slobtsov testimony Case files sheet 298 back
 
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Slobtsov testimony Case files sheet 300
  • Apr 18, 1959 Tempalov in his testimony says 9 pair of skis, all of them under the bottom of the tent and additional spare pair of skis in the tent.
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Tempalov testimony Case files sheet 310 back
We can only more or less confidently assert that one pair of skis was left at the labaz and one pair of skis was stuck next to the tent at the time when Slobtsov and Sharavin found it on Feb 26th 1959.
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The tent partly cleared of the snow, 27 Feb 1959 - Yuri Koptelov in the frame, photo by V. Brusnitsyn
Explanation why the number of pair of skis under the bottom of the tent differs in Tempalov and Slobtsov testimonies can be found in Atmanaki's testimony dated 7-8 Apr 1959.

“There was no point to continue the further dismantling of the things, and so they left everything into place before the investigator arrived, after raising the tent and pulling out three pairs of skis, because dog guides went on foot, and the rest of the skis were used by us to mark the places where the bodies of the dead were found.”
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Atmanaki testimony Case files sheet 215
 
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Atmanaki testimony Case files sheet 215 back
Tempalov and Maslennikov arrived at the pass after the skis have been pulled from under the tent.
Inspection of the tent was in a day after the events Atmanaki is describing.
By that time there were no longer any skis under the tent, so their number could be only circumstantial.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 05 maj 2019 - 19:21

Dyatlov Group Den

 

The events from this date on were game changer for Dyatlov group case.

 

Their deaths had to be looked into.

 

They couldn't be so easily brushed as death from exposure to the elements.

 

There are many facts that can't be explained with any theory to this day.

 

 

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Napisano 05 maj 2019 - 19:24

May 1959 Radiograms

 

There is inconsistency even about the date when the last 4 bodies were found.

 

Case file sheet 386 says they were found on May 4.

 

We have two telegrams saying this happened on May 5th which is supported by "Protocol of the location of corpses" (sheet 341) made on May 6th when representatives of the Prosecutor's Office and the Investigation Department were notified, so most probably the date is May 5th.

 

 

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Napisano 05 maj 2019 - 19:27

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When in May the snow started melting a Mansi native Kourikov with his dog noticed some cut branches that were forming sort of trail which they followed and 50 m from the cedar they found black cotton sweat pants, the right leg cut off with a knife.
Cedar branches, a young fir tree was missing its top, another piece of clothing was found - the left half of the women's light-brown wool sweater, right half and sleeves cut off.
Sweater was presumed to belong to Lyudmila Dubinina.
The area was previously searched with avalanche probes but the snow then was deeper than expected.
Vladimir Askinadzi and Boris Suvorov, both UPI students, were key players in the rescue team.
Kurikov followed some small fir tree branches in the snow till 50 m down from the cedar they led into the snowdrift.
Rescuers began to dig and at a depth of 3.5 m they found cut branches covered with clothes.
The bed of branches consisted of 14 fir tree branches and one birch, and on top were belongings and clothes.
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The clothes on a bed of cut branches made 4 seats
The clothes included:
- One leg of a pair of black ski trousers;
- A thick brown woolen sweater;
- A white woolen jumper, made in China; and
- A pair of brown trousers tied at the ankles but flared open with a tear to widen them.
15 m up the bank from the stream, they found half of a beige sweater and the other half of the ski trousers.
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15 m from the den, they found a spoon and a knife sheath.
From the Official criminal investigation, Decision to dismiss criminal case:
“The bodies were found few meters away from the clothes found of Krivonischenko and Doroshenko - pants, sweater.
All clothes had been cut when they were taken from the bodies of Doroshenko and Krivonischenko.
Bodies of Thibeaux-Brignolle and Zolotaryov were better dressed, Dubinina’s fur jacket and hat were found on Zolotaryov, her leg was wrapped in woolen trousers that belong to Krivonischenko.
Krivonischenko’s knife was found close to the bodies, it was used to cut off branches of young fir trees.
Here is a very strange fact – knife was never found in the area, only a knife sheath.
Lead investigator Lev Ivanov could not have mistaken a sheath for a knife.
The branches were cut with tool, that could not be misinterpreted, but the absence of this tool could not be explained without having somebody taken the knife from the crime scene, and that meant that the case could be closed as a “calamity or overwhelming force”.
 
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Dying place of Lyudmila Dubinina
20 m from the den, a probe 4 m deep came out with a fragment of flesh.
They started to dig. Dubinina's body was found in the ravine on may 5th, 1959.
From the official record of the discovery of the bodies:
“On the northwest slope of Peak 880, about 50 m from the cedar, in the stream, we have discovered four bodies: three men and one woman.
The body of the woman has been identified as Lyudmila Dubinina.
The bodies of the men cannot be identified without removing them from the water.
They are buried in snow 2.5 m deep.
The men are lying with their heads facing north and downstream, and the body of the woman is lying facing upstream.
She is dressed in a small skullcap and a yellow sleeveless shirt.
Then a flannel shirt; two sweaters, one gray the other dark; and on her legs are leggings and brown ski trousers.
On one foot are two woolen socks and, on her right foot is bound half of a beige sweater.
On the back of her head and on her back there are traces of damage from our probe.
Her body is decaying.
The first man is dressed in a khaki-colored windbreaker, and on his wrist he has two watches, one a Pobeda and the other a Sportif.
The Pobeda had stopped at 8:38, and the Sportif showed 8:15.
It is not possible to see the head and legs of this body, because he is not completely exposed.
The other two bodies lie in a kind of hug, both with nothing on their heads, and some their hair missing.
They are both dressed in windbreakers, but it is hard to say what else, and it will have to wait until we get them out of the stream.
The bodies are decaying and we have photographed them.
They need to be taken out of the stream immediately because they are decaying fast and will soon be lost in the stream, which is very fast.”
It was Vladimir Askinadzi’s probe that damaged Dubinina’s body.
Askinadzi recently published a letter in Ural Pathfinder magazine, in which he recalls that the distance between all the heads of those found in the brook was about 30 cm (about 11.5 “) – they were all very close to each other.
As for Dubinina, he says her head was laying down on a kind of a natural ledge with water rolling over it.
Her mouth was open.
There are claims that the tongue was ripped, or eaten, or whatnot.
The medical records simply that "the tongue is missing".
Vozrozhdenny describes missing hypoglossal muscle as well as muscles of the floor of the mouth.
 
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Kolevatov's body (upper left) was found right next to Zolotariov's as if the latter was carrying or protecting him. Tibo's body was positioned 30 cm lower downstream.
When they tried to pull them out, they saw that Zolotaryov had a notebook in one hand and a pen in the other.
Ortyukov saw this, grabbed the book, read it and immediately said scornfully: ‘He’s written nothing.’
Georgy Ortyukov, the Army Colonel in charge of logistics and helicopter support, was the only one who saw the notebook in Zolotoryov’s hand.
Vladimir Askinadzi recalls that it was hard to identify the bodies as they found them, and it was Colonel Ortyukov who was ordaining who was who.
‘We were surprised,’ Askinadzi said, ‘because it was really hard to see, and no one could object or disagree.’
Askinadzy also mentioned that while he was present during that period, he felt very strongly that those in charge were not really interested in a proper investigation.
He remembers that the lead investigator Lev Ivanov ‘did not even approach the pad of branches, didn’t take pictures, it seemed they already had a theory’.
Askinadzy extends this accusation to Ortyukov, who was in charge of the whole rescue operation.
He wrote: ‘If it was really so important to get this right, why didn’t they call for Yuri Yudin?
He was the only one that knew them all, and could say for sure.
I only knew Zina.’
The whole search operation was rushed.
This pressure was from someone above – from Moscow, Sverdlovsk, or Ivdel.
The atmosphere was very tense.
Everyone was anxious for answers and awaiting for news.
Ortyukov and some soldiers took all the bodies from the stream, carried them up the bank and placed them on special stretchers to drag them across the snow, then took them up to the pass to the helipad.
It was hard work, and they repeated the same process four times.
A helicopter met them on the pass, but the pilots refused to take the bodies on board, complaining this was outside their official duties.
It has been said that the pilots knew the bodies were poisoned with radiation and, for this reason, didn’t want them in the aircraft.
Ortyukov sent the following radiogram:
This is a scandal!
I and fourteen other people brought these bodies on our shoulders and they refused to take the bodies in spite of me insisting.
As a Communist I am outraged by the behavior of the crew and ask you to inform the Communist Party leader about it.
And I have to mention to you for clarity, these bodies are frozen.
We packed them for transportation and there was no reason to refuse to take them.
The medical expert refused to examine or to cut the bodies here on site.
It is absolutely not dangerous from the point of hygiene.
They are folded and covered in special impervious material.
The crew said they would not transport them until they are in Zinc coffins.
At this point Colonel Ortyukov reached the limits of his desperation.
He took out his pistol and threatened the crew.
Vladimir Askinadzi intervened, after which the medical expert reorganized how the bodies should be packed for transportation, and they were finally airlifted for transportation to Ivdel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 08 maj 2019 - 19:36

Reenactment in the movie "The secret of the Mountain of the Dead. Dyatlov Pass" (Тайна горы мертвецов. Перевал Дятлова 2013) where in an interview Yudin says:

 

"It was a sad farewell.

 

We were slow on the way there (to the 2nd North) and now we had to hurry back.

 

Hurry up, hurry up... so our goodbyes were hasty.

 

They even gave me an amulet, a teddy bear.

 

I still have it, this amulet."

 

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This is a third toy bear that the group was bringing.

 

Two bears were found among the possessions of the group.

 

They belonged to Slobodin and Krivonischenko.

 

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The teddy bear that the group gave to Yudin belonged to Zina Kolmogorova.

 

It is now in Dyatlov foundation.

 

Yudi Yudin died April 27, 2013, aged 75, shortly after the movie came out.

 

 

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Napisano 09 maj 2019 - 19:24

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May 9 - last 4 autopsy reports
The header image is from “Dyatlov Pass - end of story” where Eduard Tumanov - modern times forensic pathologist in Russia who revised the post mortem analyses of the last four bodies.
In this movie Tumanov says:
“In Sverdlovsk, there is one of the best and largest Forensic Bureau in the former Soviet Union, having some of the high-level experts at the time.
I would say this is true even nowadays.
And then, you see, why prevents the head of the bureau or his deputy from the expertise division to assign a forensic physician.
And fly to Ivdel with two experts.
Vozrozhdenny could have helped them with the autopsy, gather some experience.
Why was everybody satisfied with a young forensic doctor with only 2 years of experience.
Another strange thing was that the operations in the Ivdel morgue were carried out under personal control of the district prosecutor Nikolay Klinov.
He was not only supervising but also signed the autopsy reports.
This si unheard of.
The head prosecutor of the region leaves everything to supervise the autopsies.
Vozrozhdenny at the time has been tried for anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and then given amnesty.
You understand that in those years an amnesty is conditional and uncertain.
Most likely they needed to be able to control him.”
 

Lyudmila Dubinina (20)

 

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Lyudmila Dubinina post mortem in Ivdel hospital
Lyudmila wore a short sleeve shirt, long sleeve shirt, and two sweaters.
The brown sweater belonged to Krivonischenko - one of the two found beneath the cedar, and lately tested radioactive.
The body was dressed with underwear, long socks, two pairs of pants.
External pair was badly damaged by fire and subsequently ripped.
She also wore a small hat and two pairs of warm sock.
A third sock was not paired.
Lyudmila apparently in the last attempt to preserve her feet took off her sweater and cut it in two pieces.
One half she rapped around her left foot.
Another half she left or dropped unintentionally on the snow.
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Lyudmila Dubinina injuries
  1. soft tissues are missing around eyes, eyebrows, nose bridge and left cheek bone is partially exposed
  2. damaged tissues around left temporal bone, size 4x4 cm
  3. eye sockets are empty, eyeballs are missing
  4. nose cartilages are broken and flattened
  5. soft tissues of the upper lip are missing, teeth and and upper jaw is exposed
  6. tongue is missing
  7. ribs 2, 3, 4, 5 are broken on the right side, two fracture lines are visible
  8. ribs 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 are broken on the left side, two fracture lines are visible
  9. massive hemorrhage in the heart's right atrium
  10. bruise in the middle left thigh, size 10x5 cm (not shown on diagram)

 

Dubinina was laying on a kind of a natural ledge with water rolling over it.
Her mouth was open.
There are claims that the tongue was ripped, or eaten, or whatnot.
The medical records simply that "the tongue is missing".
Vozrozhdenny describes missing hypoglossal muscle as well as muscles of the floor of the mouth.
It looks weird especially given the fact previous bodies had more detailed autopsies.
There is no credible explanation for this vague statement.
Although it is mentioned that the stomach contained about 100 g of coagulated blood.
It is used by some as an indication that the heart was beating and the blood was flowing when tongue was removed from a mouth.
The cause of death is stated as hemorrhage into right atrium of the heart, multiple fractured ribs and internal bleeding.
Medical examination shows that Lyuda was not sexually active at the time of her death.
This fact is only relative to the fact that whoever did the crime did not sexually assault the girls, or the men as a matter of fact.
 

Semyon Zolotaryov (37)

 

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Semyon Zolotaryov post mortem in Ivdel hospital
The body of Semyon Zolotaryov was found at the Dyatlov Pass with two hats, scarf, short, long sleeve shirt, black sweater and a coat with two upper buttons unbuttoned.
It was fairly clear that the guy didn't die from the cold.
On the contrary the den was pretty warm place for him.
His lower part of the body was protected by underwear, two pairs of pants and a pair of skiing pants.
He had a copy of newspapers, several coins, compass, and other few items.
His legs were protected by a pair of socks and a pair of warm leather hand made shoes known as "burka".
They probably couldn't keep him warm for a long time, but in the den it was sufficient in keeping the man alive.
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Semyon Zolotaryov injuries
  1. eye balls are missing
  2. missing soft tissues around left eye brow, size 7x6 cm, bone is exposed
  3. open wound on the right side of the skull with exposed bone, 8x6 cm in size
  4. flail chest, broken ribs 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 on the right side, two fracture lines

 

Additionally the body of Zolotaryov had a camera around his neck as it is clearly seen on the pictures.
According to hearsay that this camera became a complete surprise to Yuri Yudin.
That he assumed the group had only four cameras that were found in the tent.
And all of a sudden a fifth camera turned out on the body.
Unfortunately melting water damaged the film.
But the question still lingers.
Why did Zolotaryov left the tent with the camera and why did he take two cameras to the trip?
One was used on daily basis and everyone saw it.
It was left in the tent and discovered there by the search party, but another was hidden throughout the journey and was found only after Semen Zolotarev have died.
The film was damaged by water so the question remains:
"What was so important that he captured on the slope of the mountain that day?"
He was also found holding a pen in one hand and a small notepad in the other.
Vladimir Askinadzi recalls that Colonel Ortyukov grabbed the notepad, looked at it, cursed and said:
"He’s written nothing."
He seems to be the only one that has seen the notepad.
The whereabouts of this notepad is unknown, it was never filed in evidence or seen by anyone else.
On the other hand we hear only from Askinadzi about the whole episode with the pen, notepad and Colonel Ortyukov, and that 59 years after the fact in a recent letter of Askinadzi to Ural Pathfinder magazine.
Both Zolotarev and Dubinina have an interesting pattern of injuries.
They are very similar in direction and force despite difference in shape, height and body composition of the two.
This would suggest that whatever caused these injuries was not a single uniform event.
Еxcerpt from the interrogation of forensic expert of the Regional Forensic Investigation Bureau Boris Vozrozhdenny led by Junior Counselor of Justice and Criminal Prosecutor of Sverdlovsk region, Lev Ivanov, on May 28, 1959:
How is it possible to explain the cause of the damage to Dubinina and Zolotaryov?
Is it possible to combine them into one cause?
I think the character of the wounds on Dubinina and Zolotaryov – a multi-splintered fracture of the ribs – on Dubinina were bilateral and symmetrical, and on Zolotaryov were one-sided.
Both had hemorrhaging into the cardiac muscle with hemorrhaging into the pleural cavity, which is evidence of them being alive [when injured] and is the result of the action of a large force, similar to the example used for Tibo.
These wounds, especially appearing in such a way without any damage to the soft tissue of the chest, are very similar to the type of trauma that results from the shock wave of a bomb.
How long could Dubinina and Zolotaryov have lived?
Dubinina died 10-20 minutes after the trauma.
She could have been conscious.
Sometimes it happens that a person with a wound to the heart (for example, a serious knife wound) can talk, run and ask for help.
Dubinina’s situation was one of complicated traumatic shock resulting from the bilateral rib fracture, with subsequent internal hemorrhaging into the pleural cavity.
Zolotaryov could have lived longer.
It needs to be taken into account that they were all trained, physically fit, and strong people.
 

Alexander Kolevatov (24)

 

The body of Aleksander Kolevatov was well insulated, but he was missing a hat and shoes.
His upper torso was protected by a sleeveless shirt, long sleeved shirt, sweater, fleece sweater and ski jacket with a zipper and buttons.
Ski jacket was damaged.
A big hole on the left sleeve had burnt edges and measured 25x12x13 cm.
His right sleeve was also damaged.
Several tears 7-8 cm were found.
The jacket was unbuttoned and unzipped.
A strange finding for person who was supposedly dying from cold and hypothermia.
During autopsy following objects were retrieved from his pockets: key, safety pin, some blank paper (probably to keep a record of his thoughts or events) and two packages of pills (soda and codeine).
The lower part of the body had shorts, light pants, ski pants and another pair of canvas pants.
From the right pocket doctors retrieved a box of matches that was soaked wet.
His feet as it was mentioned had no shoes, but they were protected by home knitted woolen socks with sights of fire damage.
His right foot was also protected by a light sock underneath a woolen one.
His left foot had similar three socks.
Additionally a bandage was discovered on the left ankle, but it was probably put before the Dyatlov Pass Incident since the group left their first aid kit in the tent.
The waistband of his sweater and the lower parts of his trousers later tested radioactive.
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Aleksander Kolevatov injuries
  1. lack of soft tissues around eyes, eyebrows are missing, skull bones are exposed
  2. broken nose
  3. open wound behind ear, size 3x1.5 cm
  4. deformed neck
  5. diffuse bleeding in the underlying tissues of the left knee (not shown on diagram)
  6. softened and whitened skin (maceration) of the fingers and feet, sign consisted with putrefaction in a wet environment
  7. overall skin had a gray green color with a tinge of purple

 

This autopsy had similar strange silence about the injuries of the victim.
Broken nose, open wound behind the ear and deformed neck might be the result of a fight and be cause of death.
On the other hand it could have been caused by natural elements since the body was exposed to nature for three whole months.
Yet the doctor ignores this matter and doesn't try to explain the reason for these strange injuries.
We should probably add that snapped neck and blow behind the ear is a common sign of killing performed by special forces.
However we can't be sure about this since the autopsy report didn't specify any more details about the body.
We are left guessing on the nature and origin of these injuries.
 

Nikolai Thibeaux-Brignolle (23)

 

Nikolay Thibeaux-Brignolle was well protected against coldness of Siberian winter.
It was suggested that he and Zolotarev might have been outside of the tent at the time mysterious threat struck them.
This explains why both tourists wore shoes and were covered by several layers of clothes.
Both men were much better prepared than the rest of the group when they were forced to abandon their tent.
Nikolay wore a canvas fur hat and home knitted woolen hat.
Upper body was protected from coldness by shirt, wool sweater worn inside out and a fur jacket on a sheepskin.
Woolen gloves were found in the right pocket along with three coins, comb and several pieces of paper.
Lower part of the body was protected by underwear, sweat pants, cotton pants and ski pants.
On his feet he wore hand-knitted woolen socks and a pair of felt boots (valenki), Russian winter shoes perfect for Siberian coldness.
Additionally Nikolay Thibeaux-Brignolle wore two watches on his left arm.
One stopped at 8:14 and another at 8:39.
Cadaveric spots were discovered on the back of the upper body, neck and upper extremities.
Face hair length up to 1cm.
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Nikolai Thibeaux-Brignolle injuries
  1. multiple fractures to the temporal bone, with extensions to the frontal and sphenoid bones, the close up of the fractures to the skull is shown on the picture
  2. bruise on the upper lip on the left side
  3. hemorrhage on the lower forearm, size 10x12 cm

 

Vozrozhdenny, who undertook the autopsy, excluded accidental fall on the rock as a possible cause for such a massive and unusual fracture.
From what kind of force could Tibo have received such damage?
In the conclusion, it’s shown the damage to Tibo’s head could have been the result of the throwing, fall or jettisoning of the body.
I don’t believe these wounds could have been the result of Tibo simply falling from the level of his own height, i.e. falling and hitting his head.
The extensive, depressed, multi-splintered (broken fornix and base of the skull) fracture could be the result of an impact of an automobile moving at high speed.
This kind of trauma could have occurred if Tibo had been thrown and fallen and hit his head against rocks, ice, etc., by a gust of strong wind.
Is it possible that Tibo was hit by a rock that was in someone’s hands?
In this case, there would have been damage to the soft tissue, and this was not evident.
How long could Tibo have lived after the trauma.
Could he have moved on his own, talked, etc.?
After this trauma, Tibo would have had a severe concussion; that is, he would have been in an unconscious state.
Moving him would have been difficult and, close to the end, movement would not have been possible.
I believe he would not have been able to move even if he had been helped.
He could only have been carried or dragged.
He could have shown signs of life for 2-3 hours.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 12 maj 2019 - 19:39

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The last 4 funerals - 60 years to the day
On May 12 Lyudmila Dubinina, Alexander Kolevatov and Nikolai Thibeaux-Brignolle were buried in Mikhailovskoe Cemetery, in a plot designated to UPI.
Semyon Zolotaryov's funeral was a few days after May 12.
It was delayed so his mother could attend.
She had to travel from Krasnodar to Sverdlovsk.
Semyon Zolotaryov, since he was not a UPI contingent, was buried in Ivanovskoe cemetery where Yuri Krivonischenko was rested in peace on March 9.
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Funerals 12 May 1959, relatives behind Alexander Kolevatov coffin
 
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Alexander Kolevatov wreath in front at 12 May 1959 funerals
 
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Alexander Kolevatov funeral 12 May 1959
Zolotaryov had no relatives or friends in Sverdlovsk, and it was Sogrin who identified his belongings.
Before joining Dyatlov group Zolotaryov enlisted in Sogrin group for a trek to Circumpolar Ural that would have lasted 25 days.
Zolotaryov needed the title Master of Sports which would have reflected his pay and this trek could have given him the qualification.
Sogrin describes him as a very open, outgoing, polite, with good communication skills which is expected for a guide.
Semyon explained to Sogrin that he found a shorter trek (15 days) and that Igor Dyatlov accepted him n the group.
Semyon apologized for the situation and explained that he has family reason - he wanted to take his mom to Caucasus before the begging of the touristic season when he will be busy.
Zolotaryov’s mother came from Krasnodar to Sverdlovsk to collect his belongings in April, as she was told to, before her son was found.
It’s known she was not in Sverdlovsk in May when the bodies arrived. It’s likely that the authorities guessed the body was that of Zolotaryov by the process of elimination.
I have to mention that all the known photographs of Zolotaryov are from as late as 1943.
Recent exhumation of Zolotaryov's body on 12 April 2018 was preceded by 1 year effort to obtain a permit since there was no record of Semyon Zolotaryov being ever buried in Ivanovskoe cemetery, or anywhere else in Sverdlovsk.
So it is hard to say when exactly was his funeral, but witnesses remember that it was a few days after May 12.
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Semyon Zolotaryov grave when he was buried in May 1959
This time no one called Yudin to identify the bodies.
The secrecy grew tremendously.
Yuri Yudin, according to his words, was told 40 years later about the terrible internal injuries some of his friends had.
There is a controversy about the non-disclosure.
Even if there was a non-disclosure why nobody say anything earlier.
On the other hand, there is undercurrent that KGB was warning that bad things are going to happen to people that try.
  • Korotaev in a interview says that he and everybody present on the pass had to sign a non-disclosure for 25 years. But the fact is that he was never on the pass. He gave a lot of information that can not be verified. Here is an audio link with his voice.
  • Gushtin book "The price of a Govsecret - 9 lives"
 
The last 4 bodies found in May were buried in closed coffins, unlike the ones found in February, which were buried in open coffins as is the usual practice in Russia to this day, except for military deaths.
Many years later, in the 1990s, Lev Ivanov, the official investigator for the case, apologized for preventing the parents from dealing with their loved ones in a proper way, not even being allowed to see the faces of their children.
But the reasons for his decision are not just based in secrecy.
In an interview given to a Kazakh newspaper in the 1990s, after his retirement, Lev Ivanov said he had made one exception for Alexander Nikolaevich, the father of Lyudmila Dubinina.
While she was in the coffin in the morgue, he let her father enter, and permitted someone to open the lid so that he could see her.
When he saw his daughter’s corpse, he fainted.
Witness testimony of Alexander Dubinin given on April 14 (Case files pages 284-287).
This is before the body of his daughter was found.
"Till the day I still can believe that this could happened in the Soviet Union, that in this large industrial and cultural center of the country, could exist such a criminal disregard for preserving the lives of a whole group of people...
Those heartless leaders were never concerned that eight days after the planned return date at Vizhay, there was no contact, yet nobody did anything and search was rescue operations started on the 21 February."
In 1962, next to their graves in Mikhailovskoe Cemetery, a monument was erected with pictures of all nine members of the group.
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Dyatlov group monument erected in 1962 in Mikhailovskoe Cemetery, Sverdlovsk
Also in 1962, on that pass on Kholat Syakhl mountain, a group led by Valentin Yakimienko set a memorial plaque saying.
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Dyatlov group memorial plaque on Kholat Syakhl mountain, Northern Urals
“In memory of those who left and did not return, we name this pass on Dyatlov group”
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Dyatlov group memorial plaque on Kholat Syakhl mountain, Northern Urals
 

 

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Napisano 12 maj 2019 - 19:42

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Lyudmila Dubinina's premonition of her tragic death
Author Aleks Kandr and Sabine Lechtenfeld
 
If in other instances of telepathic communication both parties participated, clearly aware of their involvement in what is happening, then in the following example of telepathic contact between unfamiliar people, the power of telepathic influence is not so obvious, causing only a premonition and vague guesses of something fatal.
It will be about the premonition of Lyudmila Dubinina of her tragic death, signs of which, one way or another, appear in the records of her personal diary and in the peculiarities of her behavior during and after Dyatlov group pass through Vizhay.
Many authors of criminal versions of the death of Dyatlov’s group note the fact that the hikers were killed with extreme cruelty, as indicated by the nature of the injuries on the bodies of hikers discovered by search and rescue in a ravine in early May 1959.
This in turn suggests that the murder was committed based on the hatred of the murderers personally to those of the hikers who suffered more.
Only two members of the Dyatlov group were mutilated by the murderers with extreme cruelty: Alexander (Semyon) Zolotarev and Lyudmila Dubinina. However, Lyudmila Dubinina had more severe injuries - in addition to numerous rib fractures on both sides of the chest, she had not only eyeballs, but also no tongue, according to the autopsy report.
Consequently, there are good reasons to assume that the main object of hatred and revenge for the murderers among all the hikers was exactly Lyudmila Dubinina.
Therefore, any researcher investigating the death of the Dyatlov group in the framework of the criminal version of a premeditated murder, taking into account the data of the autopsy report of Lyudmila Dubinina, should first of all examine all the materials of the criminal case relating to this girl in order to identify possible conflict situations with her participation, and this is primarily from the hikers diaries.
The version of the mystery of the murder of Dyatlov group is currently the only of all criminal versions, which has a documentary rationale for the possibility of a conflict between Lyudmila Dubinina and one of the employees of colony No. 64 under USh / 349-Ivdellag during the stay of the Dyatlov group in the village of Vizhay.
Dyatlov group arrived in Vizhay together with another group led by Blinov, and decided to stay for one night, as a result of which they spent in the the village almost a day from 14:00 on January 25, left for a ride only at 13:10 on January 26.
It is possible that the atmosphere of psychological discomfort that prevailed in the village.
Vizhay, had a depressing effect on hikers, which Lyudmila Dubinina partly reproduces in her diary: "We had a tearful goodbye with Blinov group.
The mood sank.
...In general, I am very, very sad".
In addition to this can be an entry in the personal diary of Zina Kolmogorova, who described the movement of the group from the village club to the hotel in Vizhay, carefully provided to the hikers by someone from the leadership of the settlement-colony.
Such participation in the fate of a group of hikers by the colony’s leadership is explained by the fact that Igor Dyatlov has a travel certificate and a trade union voucher, in which he addressed the leaders of Soviet, party and public organizations, “to render all possible assistance” in providing the Dyatlov group of hikers campaign XXI Congress of the CPSU, the opening of which was scheduled for January 28, 1959.
Perhaps it is no coincidence that Zina Kolmogorova formulated this movement as follows: "25.1.59… We arrived in Vizhay.
First we stopped at the same club where we were 2 years ago.
Then we were taken to the hotel".
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Even Zina's use of the words "taken away" instead of "invited to move", "offered to move" or something like that, in these parts at that time had a very specific tint, meaning, as an addition, "under escort" to the word "taken".
But this is only a touch to a very specific psychological atmosphere of the village.
Vizhay, whose inhabitants provided jobs for the colony at that time.
This specific atmosphere for this area influenced on a subconscious level, forcing to choose specific words corresponding to its environment. ("we were taken"), and not just words.
Continuing on, Zina notes in her diary a certain peculiarity of the influence of this place on herself: "I talked a lot about things which are completely unfamiliar to me and I scarcely do, but I tried, sincerely.
But this is all nonsense.".
It is unlikely that we will find out what is sincere and unusual for her earlier, Zina spoke at the hotel of the settlement-colony Vizhay.
Dyatlov group would be better to stay overnight "In the same club where they were 2 years ago", rather than agree to "be taken" to the hotel, Judging by the non-forest review of her in the general diary of the group on the morning of January 26: "Slept in the so-called hotel, some bundling 2 people on a bed, and Sasha K. and Krivo even on the floor between the beds".
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The canteen in Vizhay. Igor Dyatlov said with a smile: "If the tea is cold, then go out and drink it on the street, it will be hot."
That is, the group was clearly not happy with "so-called hotel", I think, not only due to the fact that her hotel service did not provide for the availability of a sufficient number of beds for all hotel guests.
The fact is that the hikers who returned in high spirits from the club after watching a movie "Symphony in Gold" On the evening of January 25, they encountered serious difficulties in preparing a hot dinner due to raw wood for the stove, as a result of which the cooking process took "a lot of time".
From the diary of Lyudmila Dubinina:
"We are on duty with Yuri today.
We decided to cook noodles on the stove.
But it was very difficult to heat the stove with such raw firewood, so it took a lot of time.
Finally we began to eat.".
Yuri Krivonischenko, who was on duty this evening with Lyudmila, wrote in the diary of the group the next morning: "We did not boil water in the morning, wood was damp.
In the evening it took us 6 hours to boil the water.… Krivonischenko".
Such problems in preparing a hot dinner for experienced hikers, even in remote taiga, were extremely rare, as follows from the entry in the group’s diary for January 30: "As usual we quickly start a fire".
Even if we take into account the possible exaggeration in the assessment of time – "6 hours", spent on the kindling of the stove, then the difficulties that arose in the "so-called hotel" Vizhay could ruffle any experienced hikers for whom it was not difficult to quickly make a fire even in the forest.
And given the difficult mental state of Lyudmila Dubinina these days, it can be assumed that the difficulties encountered in the "so-called hotel" she could be completely out of balance, causing a flush of fair anger and anger on conditions "hotel service", to put it in modern language.
Therefore, she could express everything she thinks about this in the most harsh terms to anyone responsible for this “hotel service” person, regardless of her rank and position.
This is in complete agreement with the opinion of O. Arhipov: "Well, it is known that Lyudmila Aleksandrovna was sharp on the tongue and principled.
She would not keep her mouth shut.".
This peculiarity of Lyudmila’s character is confirmed in her personal diary the day before the hikers arrive in the village of Vizhay: "January 24th ...
Yes, and I generally like to add fuel to the fire, damn me".
The negative superstitious potential of such a phrase, recorded on paper, could in some way “program” its further actions, determined by this striking feature of its character.
Confirmation of the inflated state of the psyche of Ludmila we find in her notes in her personal diary the day after her ordeals as an attendant in the "so-called hotel" in village of Vizahy:
"January 26...
Mood is bad and probably will be for two more days.
Evil as hell".
I.e. even the next day, Lyudmila felt a sense of anger, the degree of which she so uncompromisingly marked: "as hell".
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Her expectations of improving her mood in two days obviously did not happen, but despite this, she nevertheless continued to keep her personal diary for two days.
Judging by the fact that from January 28, Lyudmila ceased to keep a personal diary at all, having previously recorded in her impressions of the hike, her mood two days after being in Vizhay not only did not improve, but was also aggravated by some kind of depression, fading interest in everyday trivialities of hiking life, which earlier made up the majority of her personal diary entries.
After visiting the village of Vizhay Lyudmila's psychological state deteriorated quite sharply, aggravating day by day, which is confirmed by the peculiarities of her behavior from January 26 to January 30, which are known to us from her personal diary and Zina Kolmogorova's notes in her diary.
In Ludmila’s personal diary, even on January 27, the first sign of some unconscious doom, expressed by the negative potential of the phrase, is encountered: "the last time", referring to the whole group:
"January 27...
Now most of the guys sit here and sing songs to the guitar, on the occasion that they do not work today.
It seems this is the last time we heard so many good new songs.
But we hope that Rustik will live up to the challenge."
"This is the last time we heard..."
And how can you not become superstitious, listening to popular wisdom not to use this phrase, so as not to incur the misfortune.
It should be noted that on January 27th Lyudmila uses the word "it seems" before the key phrase: "this is the last time we heard", i.e. although she was under the impression of her forebodings, they still didn’t have that fatal doom which followed the next day, January 28, when Lyudmila completely stopped writing her impressions of the everyday life in her diary.
Only the presentiment of something fatal could have suppressed the long-term habit of an experienced hikers to keep his personal diary during a hike.
The possibility of perceiving other people's thoughts or feelings directed at the subject of perception has long been a subject of study - telepathy, finding confirmation from persons endowed with such an ability that it is not uncommon.
Therefore, at the heart of Ludmila Dubinina’s foreboding of her fatal doom, her ability to perceive her feelings of revenge related to her personally, rather than feelings of hatred, filled with negative emotions, fueled by the willingness to materialize them with a picture of the upcoming murder.
Considering that on January 28th Lyudmila completely stopped recording in her personal diary, it can be assumed that on this day the person who ordered the murder made the final decision to deal with the hikers, using associates from his inner circle, staging the killing of group members as an accident caused by the "overwhelming force" on Ural mountain ridge, with reference to the words of forester Rempel I. D. about the potential dangers lurking there for hikers.
It was on that day that Lyudmila Dubinina, previously so verbose in the records of her personal diary, completely stopped writing in it, apparently vaguely anticipating all the fatalism of the deadly threat hanging over her.
It is not excluded that Lyudmila Dubinina’s short but brief conflict with someone from the staff of the colony settlement of Vizhay over raw wood for the stove had its continuation already at the telepathic level of communication between the parties to the conflict, as is almost the case in life when the parties of an emotional conflict continue to mentally express to the offender everything that has boiled over.
I think anyone can remember from their own experience an episode of their emotional involvement in an imaginary continuation of a conflict situation after the abuser has long disappeared from sight.
As a rule, the conflict situation continues at the telepathic level of communication until it energetically disrupts itself in one way or another.
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As we can see, even the next day, Lyudmila experienced a feeling of anger - "evil as hell", and this emotional negative could feed the energetics of her telepathic communication with those whom she clearly said too much (cut out her tongue) under the influence of her complex emotional state, known to us from her diary.
She was clearly unlucky because she dealt with a professional killer who had served for many years in the NKVD (People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs).
With each day, Lyudmila Dubinina increasingly "went into herself", plunging into the foreboding of something fatal, apparently already fearful from the thought of presenting her fears in her personal diary, much less sharing them with her friends.
A possible culmination of this depressed state was a sharp, outwardly unreasonable, change in her behavior on the evening of January 30, which outraged the whole group.
As follows from Zina Kolmogorova’s diary entries, it was in the evening of January 30th that Lyudmila Dubinina lost interest in working together on patching up the holes of a dilapidated tent, apparently, already immersed in a stupor from the suddenly increased premonition of her fatal doom:
"January 30... Lyuda quickly got tired and sat down by the fire. Nick Thibault changed his clothes.
He began to write a diary.
The law is that until all the work is done, do not approach the fire.
And so they had a long argument, of who will sew the tent.
Finally K. Tibo gave up and took a needle.
Lyuda remained seated.
And we sewed the hole (and there were so many that there was enough work for all except two attendants and Lyuda.
Guys are terribly outraged.
Today is the birthday of Sasha Kolevatov*.
Congratulations.
We give him a tangerine, which he immediately divided into 8 pieces (Lyuda went into the tent and did not come out until the end of the dinner).
A possible reason for such a sudden change in the behavior of Lyudmila on the evening of January 30 is the described in the investigation section of the Killers' Ski Route to the upper sources of Auspiya.
It is possible that the three murderers, having gone early in the morning of January 29 from 2nd Northern to the upper sources of Auspiya "took a shortcut on one of our forest paths" (words of forester I. D. Rempel), by the evening of January 30, they could have already achieved their intended destination, settling for the night in the headwaters of Auspiya.
For this reason, on the evening of January 30, they could mentally withdraw from the two previous days of a ski trip to the upper sources of Auspiya, focusing their attention on waiting for the hikers to arrive and discussing the details of their plan.
This may well explain such a dramatic change in the behavior of Lyudmila in the evening of January 30, because she was the main object of revenge, which riveted the thoughts of the murderers to her more than her comrades, judging by the severity of injuries inflicted on her later.
Mention Lyudmila in his personal diary "evil spirits" - "evil as hell", and to some extent "calling out" to her - "damn me", give the tragic death of Dyatlov's group some kind of ominous mystical connotation that actualizes the significance of domestic superstition:
January 24... Yes, and I generally like to add fuel to the fire, damn me to hell.
January 25... The mood sank. In general, I am very, very sad.
January 26... Mood is bad and probably will be for two more days. Evil as hell.
What can cause such changes in Lyudmila's behavior from January 26 to 30, which later became the victim of revenge in Dyatlov group murders (..., cut the tongue)?
The only plausible explanation for such dramatic changes in Lyudmila’s behavior can only be her premonition of an impending mortal threat, due to her ability at the telepathic level, to vaguely perceive the terrible picture of her plans being visualized by the murderers, which she simply could not want to believe, but the oppressive negative of this premonition had its influence on her thoughts and actions.
In any case, the diary notes of Lyudmila Dubinina and the peculiarities of her behavior shortly before and after the visit of Dyatlov group to the village of Vizhay can hardly be explained only rationally, consistent with the beginnings of common sense, without attracting the irrational component of human existence, bringing something ominously mystical to the tragic death of the Dyatlov group.
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I have solicited an opinion from Sabine Lechtenfeld, forensic psychologist from Hannover, Germany on the subject.
What was tormenting Lyuda's mind in the days before the tragedy, was she feeling the impending doom or was she just a troubled soul?
Here is her opinion.
I thought long and hard about what kind of assessment of Lyuda's behavior prior to her death I could put together.
I decided that there is just not enough reliable material for a proper scientific expertise.
I don't want to go down the path of many others and pull an imaginary rabbit out of my hat, although it's very tempting.
However I will give you an assortment of my subjective impressions and tentative conclusions.
Let me start with the idea that some of Lyuda's behavior and her last diary entries may have been out-of-character and hint at the possibility that she had a premonition of the tragedy, or - as the article you sent me seems to suggest - may even have been in telepathic contact with her future killer.
If we are looking at a suspicious death, it's standard procedure to scrutinize the behavior of the victims shortly before their death and look for changes and unusual behavior.
But you have to adopt a pre-mortem perspective in order to avoid the fallacies of confirmation bias.
This is the key question: could we say that Lyuda's behavior and her diary entries are strange and different from her usual behavior - even if we don't know the fate of the group?
Unfortunately there's not a lot of material available for answering that question accurately.
Let's first look at the fact that she stopped to write her diary and that she decided not to help with some daily chores like mending the tent and that she isolated herself from the other members shortly before they all perished.
From the little we do know from her curriculum vitae and the various diary entries, I conclude that she was an intelligent and well- educated girl who was introverted and did not socialize easily.
She seems to have been well organized and honest to a fault.
Since she was the treasurer of the expedition this would've served her well.
And according to her own assessment she could not hold her tongue and didn't hesitate to speak her mind, which she regretted sometimes.
She also scolded herself for being socially awkward.
I looked at all available pictures of Lyuda and concluded that she was a serious and rather introverted person and did not smile easily.
I saw her most engaging and beautiful smile when she looked at her little brother.
I sense a bit of reservation in the pictures where she has physical contact - like a hug - with other expedition members.
Compared to the other members of the group her body language comes across as a bit reserved - although I have to attach the important caveat that she may simply not have been totally relaxed and comfortable in front of a camera.
That she stopped to update her expedition diary is indeed concerning, since keeping a personal diary on a daily basis was considered to be one of the essential duties during these expeditions.
But in order to assess if her neglect was totally out-of-character, we would need to know if she has ever failed to update her diary on a daily basis on previous expeditions.
That she failed to assist in some daily chores like mending the tent, also seems to be not compatible with what we know about her, and her attitude is duly noted by the other members in their diary entries.
But it's only a short notice and no one seems to have made a huge song and dance about it or kicked up a fuss because of her apparent moodiness.
Therefore it's difficult to say if this was a very unusual behavior for Lyuda, or if those members who knew her better were used to her having certain mood swings now and then.
If it is correct that Lyuda had been prone to mood swings, her behavior during the last days of her life may not have been out-of-character at all. But the big question remains: what caused her bad mood?
Let's Look at her diary entries which many consider to be a premonition of the tragedy.
She wrote:
"Everybody felt really tired after the movie and wanted to sleep.
Zina and I lay on a mesh-work bed. It's a dream.
The lads rested right on the floor.
The mood is evil (horrible).
Seems it's going to be evil (horrible) for about two more days.
I'm mad as hell (as a devil)".

I included alternative translation possibilities in brackets ,since there are different possibilities to translate the original Russian text.
The English word "evil" which seems to stick out here, has a different and more emotionally loaded connotation than the word "horrible".
What's really odd about these few sentences is, that Lyuda doesn't seem to give us the slightest hint, why her mood is so bad.
And this self-assessment of her mood seems to come totally out of the blue.
Before she wrote this down she told in a spirited and positive way about what the group has been up to during the day, and she and the others seemed to have enjoyed themselves.
Even the sleeping arrangements (she and Zina are sharing the only available bed) seemed to have agreed with her - if we interpret the sentence "it's a dream" in a positive way.
So, everything seems to be fine - and then she writes without any explanation whatsoever that her mood is horrible/evil and that she is mad!
Even without the benefit of hindsight this is somewhat odd.
But then she writes that her mood will be horrible/evil for about two more days.
This is very interesting insofar as she seems to know quite well what's the cause of her bad mood and when it will end, although she doesn't spell it out explicitly.
It has been suggested that she may have had her period or that she was in her pre-menstrual phase.
This is a very plausible idea since it would explain why she seems to know quite well, when her bad mood will end, and it would be such a private but banal and recurrent event that she doesn't bother to explain it.
Another possibility is that she is very discontent/annoyed with the current situation before the group starts to embark on their ski-hiking trip, and that she expects that her mood will improve once they start skiing and leave behind their current location and their people.
The following sentence "I'm mad as hell/as the devil" is also hard to assess, since she doesn't bother to explain.
Does she feel always mad/angry in connection with her period or other inconvenient situations, or is there something else which goes through her head while she's lying on her bed which angers or upsets her greatly?
Frankly, this sentence doesn't seem to be a vague premonition of doom, which she cannot figure out.
To me it seems that she knows quite well what exactly is upsetting her.
Unfortunately we will never know what it was.
Therefore my next thoughts are purely speculative:
Is it possible that she spotted something in her current location and situation which struck her in a very negative way?
Did she notice something which struck her as being bad and not ok, but she hesitates to put it down in writing?
If this continued to bother her while she mulled it over, it could explain why she was so occupied with these thoughts that she didn't even continue to use her diary.
She may literally have stopped speaking her mind.
Since she anticipates that her mood will be better within two days I conclude that her bad mood had probably nothing to do with the upcoming ski-hiking expedition and/or any specific members of her group.
But could Lyuda have noticed something which may have had a connection or even led to the terrible fate of the expedition?
She strikes me as a perceptive and honest person.
If she noticed something going on which wasn't right in her opinion she certainly might get mad and be in and "evil" or "horrible" mood.
But do we even have the slightest factual hint in that direction?
This depends largely on the correct assessment of the autopsy protocols.
Lyuda's pre- and postmortem injuries were more horrific than the injuries of all the other group members.
She didn't only suffer the most, but her eyes were mutilated and her tongue was missing.
If the missing facial organs have any significance for the case depends largely on this: were natural decay and small animals responsible - or was Lyuda deliberately mutilated?
Since the original investigation concluded (or was forced to conclude) that the Dyatlov Pass deaths were not the result of a crime, they officially concluded that the facial injuries were the result of natural decay and /or scavenging animals .
Some experts came later to a different conclusion.
But most experts seem to agree on one point: these facial injuries happened after Lyuda's death.
If this was deliberate but postmortem, then these mutilations were not the result of torture while she was still alive.
Since I'm not a pathologist I cannot decide which conclusion is correct.
But let's assume for a moment that the mutilations happened deliberately after Lyuda had perished.
What exactly would that tell us?
We could for starters conclude that the assailants stuck around until she died.
This is a very important conclusion because it would exclude all scenarios where after an initial wave of attacks all injured victims were left alone and then died without their attackers being around.
If Lyuda was mutilated after her death at least some killers stuck around and made sure that Lyuda (and probably the other students, too) would be dead or die shortly.
In a scenario of deliberate postmortem mutilations we further have to ask why this was done.
It has been suggested that Lyuda may have been the primary victim.
Personally I have big problems with the idea that all killings have been committed because someone was targeting Lyuda specifically in a personal vendetta, and that the other group members were just collateral victims.
Nothing we know about Lyuda's short life hints into such a direction, and to me it seems to be totally over-the-top and excessive that a personal enemy would take on such a great risk and kill all those other people just in order to get back at Lyuda.
It's also highly unlikely that the killings were the work of only one assailant.
But is it really plausible to assume that a personal enemy of Lyuda deliberately would recruit helpers in order to wipe out the whole group?
I don't think that this is a very likely scenario.
The reason that her injuries were more horrific than the injuries of the others could simply be due to the fact that she may have been more resilient, and therefore she enraged the killers.
Therefore she may have been savagely attacked in a final attempt to finish her off without using a weapon.
Also, the nature of Lyuda's postmortem facial mutilations are not typical tell-tale signs for someone having a personal grudge.
A totally smashed face and the mutilations of breasts and the sexual organs are far more typical mutilations if someone acted out because of a personal grievance.
However, the deliberate removal of tongue and eyes are a very typical icon since ancient times that the mutilated victim may have seen too much and was suspected to have talked about it.
It also could be a symbol that the mutilated victim will never again be able to talk.
Very recently the famous mobster Whitey Bulger has been killed by his prison inmates, and his tongue and eyes have been mutilated after he died, most likely because he had a long history as a police informer.
I don't want to imply at all that Lyuda was a snitch.
She strikes me as a person of great integrity who always tried to do the right thing.
But if her facial mutilations were not the result of natural decay and small animals, but the deliberate postmortem work of the killers, then we should contemplate if this is a tell-tale sign that she had seen something which she shouldn't have seen and which she and the rest of the students shouldn't talk about.
I don't reject the possibility completely that Lyuda had a premonition of impending doom, but we don't have any proof whatsoever that she was indeed psychic.
And since she seemed to think that her bad mood would become better in a matter of two days, I personally would exclude the idea that Lyuda had a true premonition.
I prefer a more rational explanation and think it's at least possible that Lyuda consciously noticed something going on in her immediate surroundings before the skiing stated, which bothered her greatly and caused her to be in a "horrible" or "evil" mood.
If she continued to mull it over, it could've continued to occupy her mind after they had started their ski-hiking trip, and she may have become edgy and withdrawn to the point where she didn't even bother to keep up with her expedition diary.
If she noticed something which greatly upset her, she and her fellow members may have been perceived as a potential danger for someone or a group of people.
In this case they may have been followed by their eventual killers.
If the ski-hikers noticed something, this may well have sparked their jests about the existence of yetis.
The last paragraph may seem to pull an imaginary rabbit out of my hat - or rather my brain - after all.
But it is a chain of arguments which is based on the assumption that Lyuda's facial disfiguration were the work of perpetrators who mutilated her face deliberately after she died.
If this assumption is correct it has great implications for the case.
However, if Lyuda's facial disfiguration were the result of natural decay and/or scavenging animals, the whole chain of argumentation is mute.
Personally I don't readily believe in telepathy without additional proof (although I don't completely exclude it from my world views) and it's not my first choice for explaining Lyuda's diary entries .
I believe in premonitions only insofar as they may be the result of subtle or less subtle hints which our brain has picked up and then subconsciously processed.
Our brain continues to work even when we are not aware of it - even when we sleep.
Great scientists often experienced solutions for their theories in their dreams, and the results of these subconscious processes can be very valuable.
But it was only possible because all necessary knowledge and information were already there.
Many gifted seers and clairvoyants work by picking up subtle clues.
But that's not what I would call a true premonition.
A true premonition would be if there were no informations and no hints at all available, but a person would have an awareness of things to come nevertheless.
While I don't completely reject the idea that telepatic communication and true premonitions are possible, I prefer to assume that Lyuda's bad mood had either nothing to do with the subsequent tragedy, or that she consciously or subconscioulsy processed hints and observed facts.
That may have led to Lyuda's so-called demons.
And I believe that her facial mutilations may be a hint into that direction - if they were indeed the deliberate work of the killers.
Unfortunately we probably will never know that for sure...
Ed. note: On Jan 27, 1959 while at the 41st logging site Dyatlov group learn some Mansi words.
Zina, Lyuda and Rustem make similar notes in their diaries.
The first word they write is "Я - ручей" which in Russian sounds like "I am a river" or with the dash "I am in the river".
Something that makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up when you think where was Lyuda found.
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Dubinina was found in a creek by Askinadzi metal probe on May 5th 1959
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Interview with Igor Aleksandrovich Dubinin, Lyuda's brother
©NGO "INTERNET CENTER of Dyatlov tragedy", 2008.
The text of the conversation "CENTER of civil investigation of the tragedy of Dyatlov group" (NAVIG, ALATAO), with Igor Aleksandrovich Dubinin (AID) regarding Dyatlov case 07 Aug 2008, Berezovskiy, Sverdlovsk region
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Igor Aleksandrovich Dubinin 07 Aug 2008
NAVIG: If you go back in time, have you filed any complaints about the revision of the Case?
IAD: No.
IAD: No, once I filed, I was refused.
NAVIG: Refused?
Do you still have this paper?
Or did you give it to Koskina?
IAD: Perhaps I may have given it away, I didn't keep my papers.
But this is not this year, it was long time ago.
Papers from Tanya I have.
And the fact that now the answers came, I gave Koskina.
NAVIG: Those else, or who recently sent?
IAD: Yes, recently
NAVIG: In 59, how old were you?
IAD: 18.
NAVIG: Did you live here?
IAD: I lived in Sverdlovsk.
I have only been here since the year 80.
NAVIG: What can you remember about the time when all this happened?
What was the situation like?
IAD: I remember we just got an apartment.
We lived in a communal flat, got a two-room apartment and moved.
And literally they lived for about a week and Lucy went hiking.
And I had a session, I studied at the technical school last year.
We passed the session and also went 10-12 people to the a tourbase.
We were organized, unlike Lucy.
And also went on a hike.
In other words, we were on one treck an they were on another.
We finished somewhere in the last days of February, around the 25.
And literally two days later I went to the pre-diploma practice in Leninogorsk, close to the border with China.
We had a normal relationship, family.
We didn’t really quarrel about anything.
We had different interests with Lucy of course.
She had her own circle...
She certainly did not consider me a student, but I considered myself.
She was studying 4th year at the institute, and I was last year in the technical school.
NAVIG: Did you leave at the end of February?
IAD: Yes.
NAVIG: So you already knew about what happened?
IAD: No...
Oh, not February, but January.
Of course, at the end of January, how come.
I knew nothing.
I remember there was no interest in practicing there... and even more so there was one orphan with us.
We went to work in the the mine.
And had some practice on the diploma...
Well, I earned money.
I remember there were some letters sent, I felt from my parents that something wasn't right...
But they didn’t tell me anything.
NAVIG: Was this in February?
IAD: In February, yes.
I even had my birthday there, I was 18 years old.
My birthday is on April 14th.
My practice was long.
NAVIG: And still you didn't know anything?
IAD: Nothing.
And I earned a lot of money there.
There was nothing to spend them on, I didn't need anything.
I bought some things there, the brought a radio receiver "Tourist"...
And so I arrived in Sverdlovsk, my parents met me at the station.
NAVIG: When was it?
IAD: I arrived probably ...
NAVIG: In April?
IAD: In April, around the the 20th.
NAVIG: They haven't been found yet?
IAD: Not found.
Only the first (bodies) were found ...
NAVIG: Already buried...
IAD: Well, again, I did not know anything, it was they who only said to me at the train station... this is a misfortune...
And then I remember the funeral in May...
NAVIG: And how did they bury the last four?
Nowhere is this described.
That is, how did it all happen?
IAD: May 11 buried.
Why, because I remember there one came up to me and said "What are they all young".
And Lucy has a birthday tomorrow, May 12, I remember ...
Well, they buried ... they did everything to not bury them together.
NAVIG: And these four?
IAD: And these four.
NAVIG: They also did not want to bury them together, suggested in Ivdel ...
IAD: Yes, one, Krivonischenko, was buried in another cemetery ...
NAVIG: Well, he is from the first five.
IAD: Yes, these are buried here.
But while they were seraching for our people, another student died and was buried here.
NAVIG: That's for sure?
Nikitin.
IAD: Yes, Nikitin.
I certainly have nothing against ...
NAVIG: And he was buried separately?
IAD: Not. Also, as it were, continued the series.
NAVIG: No, I mean by the time of the funeral procession.
IAD: Separately.
NAVIG: Separately?
IAD: Separately.
NAVIG: And the fact that there were already ready graves, yes, dug out?
IAD: Did not have. Only next to buried.
Then, thank God, well, sorry...
NAVIG: Was there no hole yet?
IAD: Not.
Ordinary graves stood for a long time.
This is now UPI, recently it has done so.
And so, well, ordinary, iron monuments were.
NAVIG: We have pictures of the old look.
But there it was already fenced, in those pictures.
IAD: No, when they were buried, there was nothing yet.
There are many graves there... four guys were buried, then Nikitin was buried here.
Then, sorry for the tautology, thank God, we found ours, and they were at this place, and four more buried ours.
IAD: (ed. note: this is regarding Zolotaryov) And when all this was organized, it was probably because of the number of people going, otherwise they could not have let them go.
Well, they just took him.
Well, she also didn't know him, was not familiar (with him).
Well, considering that hikers are very outgoing... and in the photos, they are together, he gets along with everyone ...
There is nothing like that.
NAVIG: You have not seen him there?
IAD: No, I have not seen anyone at all.
Generally, not many came to Lucy.
There was nowhere to come to.
Well now, I live alone in such a house, come as much as you like.
But back then it was impossible there.
And even more so when she left, we just moved.
The apartment is piled up, nothing is placed ...
She didn't live in this new apartment ...
NAVIG: But from the trek she did not send anything, no telegrams?
Something like "we are here heading there"?
IAD: No, what for?
NAVIG: Dyatlov sent.
IAD: Well, maybe he had to, they had control points there…
NAVIG: In the Sport Committee.
But he sent a letter to his parents that he would come then, then and then.
She didn't sent anything like that?
IAD: I wouldn't know... I left for Leninogorsk…
NAVIG: In general, you are not worried?
IAD: Yes.
Well, I wrote letters there ...
They bought a TV there - congratulations and everything else, but it wasn’t much.
NAVIG: And then what were the real versions?
Or someone told you something?
IAD: Mom thought it was caused by a rocket.
That's how we thought.
And the most interesting thing is that with rockets, plural, and not with a rocket.
Although we did not consider ourselves to be the at fault, for example, this case…
NAVIG: Why exactly rocket?
There were no evidnce, where did this version come from??
IAD: In those days, the were test...
Obviously, they couldn't hide everything, and we knew ...
The satellite was already launched at that time. In our organization ... we have a radio ... successful launches were very rare, often unsuccessful.
And now I don’t remember when was it that the tragedy with Nedelin happened.
So all this makes you thinking...
NAVIG: There were no traces on the mountain of a rocket falling or explosions.
Or maybe it was the testing of weapons, vacuum, for example ...
That is, an aboveground explosion.
IAD: It can be anything.
NAVIG: And here were traces of radioactivity on clothes.
Beta particles.
Allegedly this was due to Kyshtym emissions.
There was a contaminated sweater.
So did they take the same clothes? (ed. note - Kyshtym Nuclear Disaster September 29, 1957 in Chelyabinsk-40, a thermal explosion that caused a radioactive release was similar to that to a small atomic bomb)
IAD:There is something connected to water …
NAVIG: And Lucy, I think, her leg was wrapped in piece of Krivonischenko's sweater.
IAD: And not Kolevatov's?
NAVIG: Well, I do not remember exactly.
They cut off the clothes from those who died at the cedar to warm up.
And on this clothing were found traces of radioactivity.
And when was Kyshtym's dissaster?
Was it two years before that?
IAD: Of course, we knew little about the emissions, although he seemed to be passing along Sverdlovsk.
Everyone lived very well ...
We even had anthrax near Sverdlovsk.
It was not a rumor.
I was stunned. ...
We realized what area we live in.
NAVIG: About the radioactivity ...
If they had radioactivity, then it is obvious that this man-made accident was associated with radioactive objects.
But it was not discovered at all.
IAD: Then everything would be covered with it...
It’s not clear, of course.
NAVIG: Either there was radioactivity in the creek.
The main thing - the expertise did not name the elements of radioactivity.
That is, they simply measured it, but did not name the elements ...
That is, that such a rumor was only that it was a rocket weapon?
IAD: Well, it's easier for us to say that this is some kind of accident.
The last thing I want is that these people cleaned everything, covered their tracks and everything else.
NAVIG: Well, even if a rocket fell, they would have removed the rocket but teh traces of the fall will be evident...
No trail of the rocket was found there ...
IAD: There was something found there.
A metal ring or something else ...
NAVIG: This was allegedly from C-200 complex.
A complex C-200 was released later.
IAD: It is around that time.
50 years is a long time.
And then, when they searched, I read, search participants, guys from UPI, they were told to search only here, not to go there in any case.
NAVIG: TAU made a film in which they were not allowed to go, and where they went, there were people in sheepskin coats and with pistols.
There were representatives of the KGB. (ed. Akselrod)
IAD: I also watched this movie, they gave it to me ...
NAVIG: And did they shoot you (in the movie)?
IAD: No.
NAVIG: Well, now, he, too, says that he was hindered from going somewhere.
That there were supposedly somewhere on the slope there bare places...
Well, maybe they were picked up and collected later, that is, this local area was probed, found, and then the pass was closed.
At 5 years, or at 3, was closed for hiking.
IAD: Well, yes, they have prepared some for the search, but rest they didn't had the time...
NAVIG: And your parents, they asked for admission to the case, to see it?
Here with a legal purpose?
The fact is that the Case is hidden in a secret archive for 25 years.
And so no one was allowed to it.
IAD: No, I don't remember anything about it.
But my father died quite early.
He died in 1967, he was 64 years old.
Well, of course, all this affected his life.
NAVIG: And he did not try to reopen the case?
Or did he agree with the results?
IAD: Well, it's like ...
Well, it was all classified and everything else, right?
Do not forget what time they lived there, in Stalin's time: it was said, done.
So there is nothing to do about it.
Secret - it means everything.
No one will declassify it for you.
NAVIG:Wes there any certain information that the case was classified?
Has anyone approached, say, the prosecutor?
IAD: Someone told me that the case was declassified, but you still need admission.
So it was same as being classified.
NAVIG: Then, yes?
IAD: No, it was sometime 40 years after their death already.
I was just ... people got acquainted with this case.
Here ... (shows documents?) ...
Well, I don’t know, I keep it, but for whom do I keep it?...
There were no followers.
What can I say?...
And then, Sheremet's wife, Anna Matveeva, she wrote a book, I think, quite good, she did not achieve anything.
She has these 20 items (ed. note: Case files) and included all theories insisting on any of them.
At that time, father had already died, in my opinion, or maybe not yet, another book was written, “Hike .... some category” ...
NAVIG: Yarovoy.
IAD: Yes, Yarovoy.
NAVIG: "Highest category of difficulty".
IAD: Yes.
Mom was mad about this book.... because thsi is not whta happened.
Well, everything is fine there, all the guys seem to be alive there and everything ends well there...
She did not like this book.
NAVIG: The fact is that he had several options.
The first option he did not seem allowed to print ...
IAD: I said to my mother that he printed what he was ordered.
He was ordered, he is a journalist, he had to write what they gave him and they say that he wasn't happy about that.
NAVIG: Gushchin also wrote a booklet "The price of state secrets - nine lives."
Did you read it?
IAD: No First time I hear.
NAVIG: Not?
Here, this is for you.
He is a journalist of the Regional newspaper.
IAD: And, well, it may be referred to as the author, he is known.
I did not read the book, but I heard the name.
NAVIG: Yury Konstantinovich Kuntsevich has it.
She is on the Internet.
Do you go online?
IAD: No, I have a computer, but ...
NAVIG: After the investigation ended did they return belongings?
Anything?
IAD: I remember that Lyucine backpack...
But did she went out with it I cann't say.
They gave us notebooks...
NAVIG: Diaries?
IAD:Yes.
NAVIG: Where are they?
Do you have them?
IAD: I don't remember now.
I know that I gave a whole box of Lyucine hikeing photographs to either Kuntsevich or Koskin.
They were two, one of them took them.
NAVIG: Well, this is not from this trek.
Anthing from this particular expedition?
IAD: There were photos from this trek.
NAVIG: And how did they get to you?
From this hike.
That is, from the films they made?
IAD: I do not know.
Yes, from these films.
NAVIG: And from this expedition, did they give you too?
IAD: Here's something in my opinion ...
I must read.
Here, this is probably the last trip. 28th of February..
IAD: Oh, so this is what it is.
This book somehow got to us. (ed. note: video skip)
IAD: And this is the memory of the nine dead students, someone wrote .... (ed. note: verse-song)
NAVIG: Well, someone visited you, right?
Books have given, and what else?
IAD: What else is there? ...
I do not remember, they gave it to my father.
NAVIG: They had to return you some items.
Belongings...
There were no items?
IAD: No...
NAVIG: Clothing?
No, I mean what they were found in.
The inventory is not accurate.
For some reason, the investigation did not make an inventory.
IAD: No, from what they went there, in my opinion, we received nothing.
NAVIG: This is what I am talking about.
Because we think that it was hidden on purpose, that it was impossible to guess what the reason was.
Why did they behave this way?
Strange.
IAD: According to one of the theories a hull of a rocket was rolling down the slope.
The tent was in its way and those who were at the very end were hurt.
Kolya’s camera seemed to have crashed into him, as if he was lying on a it ...
Luce got ...
She sort of got it, but ...
NAVIG: No, I think this theory is no good, because they walked from the tent, there were footprints.
Otherwise they would have been dragged.
IAD: In another theory I read that Lucy came out of the tent and saw something observed there ...
Who saw all this, I have no idea.
NAVIG: Yes, no one saw, of course.
IAD: Yes, but I also read this version.
NAVIG: ....Who made the den is not clear.
Because the picture shows that the trunks were of such diameter, cut down obliquely.
The knife they had couldn't have done that.
That is, either it was made earlier, this den, by Mansi for example, or someone was hiding there before them, and they just used it.
But for some reason they were not in the den, but 5 meters away from it?
Also not clear.
No one can tie together all the circumstances.
We sent a request to Patrushev, the director of the FSS (Federal Security Service), about whether there are records in the Dyatlov case archive related to secret materials.
But the answer came that there is nothing.
The fact is that the case may be the under a completely different name.
About a rocket, for example, about a technological catastrophe, and Dyatlov group just could indirectly find themselves there.
IAD: Why should they reveal it all?
So they lived well, no one still knows the truth.
They may even like that there are 50 theories - one can say anything.
And why should they disclose it anything?
This is probably all connected with something that now still exists.
And I don't have high hopes.
I sign the papers and everything, I don’t feel sorry for myself, but I think that nothing will come of it.
NAVIG: We want to solve all this by legal means, to make the state work.
IAD: And where is our legal service?
NAVIG: No matter what, laws still exist.
So with this method we can set everything in motion.
IAD: As they lived by the rules, so they live.
For them, laws never existed.
I just believe in this a little.
Even take civilians ...
Do the courts still operate?
As you look at "Man and the Law", I'm sorry, I want to start shooting.
Nothing works literally.
Well, it's okay for the little things.
It is clear that they will not reveal anything if the interest of the state is involved.
There is a state here.
NAVIG: Enough time has passed, what's the secret?
There is simply material compensation to relatives.
If the state is guilty, then it should apologize in the end.
Anyway, it will be revealed at some point.
IAD: Millions of repressed ...
Who apologized?
So this is what is going to happen to this case.
NAVIG: They open cases.
Now secret documents on the repressed are revealed.
IAD: I'm not saying that you should not fight, I'm just saying that
NAVIG: We just want to know, to persue the truth.
IAD: Pursue...
NAVIG: Ivanov wrote in a manuscript that he knew the reason, but he hid it in the Resolution.
This is already the basis for the appeal to the Resolution to close the case.
And if we cancel the Resolution, then they should initiate a new criminal case.
I now think that....
IAD: Well, I raised a question in order to initiate a case ...
They answered there that ...
NAVIG: This is when you got the answer that you sent to see the case?
IAD: I do not remember now.
About two or three years ago.
They are like that .. if said something about term, that is getting to an end.
NAVIG: Statute of limitations?
IAD: Yes, and whether to institute proceedings.
NAVIG: Yes you must!
IAD: But how much time has passed.
NAVIG: They still institute proceedings about the tzar.
IAD: And nothing is done.
NAVIG: Found two more remains and opened a criminal case.
IAD: And who will file a criminal case?
NAVIG: We do not need anyone to submit.
We even discovered the truth.
IAD: There the truth is more or less revealed...
NAVIG: Dyatlov case is no less important than the death of the royal family, because it refers to the rank of national tragedies.
The truth was hidden from the people.
IAD: I still live with the belief that everything that happened was an accident.
NAVIG: Not intentional, but murder.
IAD: Well yes.
Not intentional.
That is, investigate, do not investigate - you will not return the guys.
NAVIG: That is, we are now starting work in legal terms.
And when there is already a clue, then we will hire some Moscow lawyer to file a case.
IAD: If we start a new investigation there will still be FSS representatives involved.
NAVIG: And we need to ensure that the secret case of the KGB is provided, where the reasons are stated.
IAD: To this they will calmly say: we have no case, that's all.
And you will not prove anything.
NAVIG: Let them give an official statement.
IAD: You have to understand, I'm not that against it, I am just looking form th eother side.
This is how they will declare.
I just put myself in their place.
NAVIG: We will require a document signed by the director of the FSS.
Why would he lie?
IAD: And what's the point of telling the truth?
NAVIG: He must actually tell the truth.
According to law.
And if you tells a lie, the President will expel him ...
IAD: (ed. note: he is laughing)
NAVIG: Well, there is a folder marked “top secret”.
He is now kept in the prosecutor's office of the Sverdlovsk region.
When I wrote a complaint on your behalf
IAD: They say there is nothing left...
NAVIG: This is from the case.
Nobody knows where the folder marked Top Secret folder is stored.
This is why you will need to familiarize yourself with it.
If they give you permission.
And no one knows what's in it.
IAD: I think that if even if I get permission they will still give me that same case file.
NAVIG: There is a folder with the Case, then an album with photos and a folder stamped “Top Secret”.
But I think that they will give you permission, i.e. any citizen can report a crime to law enforcement.
The Center (of Dyatlov tragedy) will prepare a statement for commission of a crime based on Ivanov’s resolution.
The resolution was falsified, it is not natural forces. And not natural means any forces of an artificial nature.
Well, the application is still - send Ivanov's article.
It will be a long case.
While the Attorney General will answer
IAD: Not answered yet...
NAVIG: They must answer.
The prosecutor's office is obliged to monitor the execution of the law.
IAD: A negative answer is also an answer..
NAVIG: Yes...
NAVIG: I also wanted you to give the sanctions to the Center to the Civil Investigation Center that we have.
 
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We thanked Igor Aleksandrovich for his agreement and conversation.
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Question: What would've happened to the diaries if there had been no disaster and the expedition would've ended as planned?

 

Would each expedition member have taken home his/her diary as a souvenir or would they have been collected and archived somewhere?

 

Who else than the diary owners would've read them later if everything had gone according to plan?

 

 

Answer: Most of the papers - maps, manually drawn topos on the go - very popular for the times, and the group diary stay with the sports club who organized the trek.

 

They typed it and it stays in their archives.

 

The archives were on paper, of course.

 

But they were there.

 

In recent years all this was digitized.


You can find here very well organized depository of documents and everything dating very far back (1935).

 

You can search by anything - Route, State, Area, Leader, Type, Category, Year, Uploaded. Here is Karelin's trek from 1959: http://tlib.ru/doc.a...id=28951&page=1
 

I stumble upon this trek from 1959: http://tlib.ru/doc.a...id=29094&page=1 and noticed that the category is V so I sent an inquiry why is that.

 

Are we mistaken to say that category III was the highest in 1959?

 

The answer is that in 1959 Category III was the highest category of difficulty and it only later was broken down into more categories going up to V.

 

The second example is a mistake.

 

Personal diaries stay with the group members, they are expected to give to the sports club only one diary in which everybody could write, but the leader was suppose to monitor that at least there is one entry per date.

 

Personal diaries were not required, you don't need to keep a diary, only if you want to.

 

As a matter of fact all notebooks for personal diaries were given by Zina to the members of the group before the trek.

 

This is why they spot dedication in Zina's hand writing.

 

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Napisano 26 czerwiec 2019 - 18:48

A petition to the head of the Investigative Committee of Russia, Alexander Bastrykin, from the Dyatlov Memorial Foundation will be presented in Yekaterinburg on June 26 at a round table, which will be held in the ITAR-TASS press center.

 

The petition was signed by activists of the foundation, representatives of the Russian Geographical Society, as well as relatives of the dead hikers - Igor Dyatlov, Yuri Doroshenko and Rustem Slobodin.

 

It is expected that the sister of Igor Dyatlova Tatyana Perminova will personally take part in the round table.

 

Participants will also perform a search job in 1959.

 

Peter Bartholomew, Vladislav Karelin and Mikhail Sharavin, tragedy researchers Alexei Budrin, Alexander Alekseenkov and Vladimir Borzenkov, forensic expert Vladimir Ankudinov.

 

“Russian Geographical Society” will be represented by extreme traveler Vladimir Rykshin and leaders Sverdlovsk Branch of the Russian Geographical Society.

 

Activists of the Dyatlov group’s memory fund and his supporters forced the prosecutor’s investigation into the death of Ural hikers to contact the Sports committee.

 

Representatives of the supervisory authority stated that they stopped at three versions of what happened in 1959 on the Dyatlov Pass: a hurricane, an avalanche and a snowslab.

 

Most of the activists of the Dyatlov Fund disagree with this - they insist on a “military version”, according to which Dyatlov group became witnesses or victims of weapon tests, after which they were eradicated.

 

"...While witnesses and participants of the search of those years are still alive, until the material evidences are not gone, until the environment of the incident is not trampled down, while the archives still store documents and evidence."

 

 

 

Letter is signed:


From relatives – Tatyana Perminova (Dyatlova)
From the Russian Geographical Society – Vladimir Rykshin
From Dyatlova Friends – Aleksey Budrin, Petr Bartholomew
From researchers – Vladimir Borzenkov
From advocacy – Evgeniy Chernousov

 

 

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Napisano 26 czerwiec 2019 - 20:33

Karelin, member of the search operation told that a rocket killed Dyatlov group

 

https://ura.news/new...aI1mI8KaZ-z-R2g

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 26 czerwiec 2019 - 20:33

Why did Dyatlov group die

 

https://ekburg.tv/pr...tLzCB45DrTKBhgY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 26 czerwiec 2019 - 20:36

Relatives of Dyatlov group members ask the Federal Investigation Committee to conduct an objective investigation of the tragedy at the pass

 

https://www.ural.kp....jTHZzFz07CgWzs8

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 26 czerwiec 2019 - 20:36

They were killed by a rocket and radiation: Ural resident who met Dyatlov not far from the pass told his version of the tragedy

 

https://www.ural.kp....cZSjrJeM1onSORM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 26 czerwiec 2019 - 20:36

The head of the Investigative Committee will be asked to conduct a new investigation into the death of Dyatlov group

 

https://regnum.ru/ne...g7cXQ3ao3qsJoHo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 26 czerwiec 2019 - 20:39

How did Dyatlov group die.

 

Round table on the results of the investigation of the Prosecutor General - full video

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 26 czerwiec 2019 - 20:39

“We demand the initiation of a normal criminal case” - Igor Dyatlov's sister, who died with his group in 1959, turned to Bastrykin - full transcription

 

https://www.znak.com...-F2ZzDXXEmluhs0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 04 lipiec 2019 - 19:21

Forensic pathologist Eduard Tumanov considers that on Krivonischenko's body were signs of torture with fire.

 

Tumanov took part in the expedition with the prosecutors 3 months ago.

 

 

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Napisano 13 lipiec 2019 - 20:09

Russian Investigators Are Reopening the Dyatlov Pass Case.  

 

But What Is It?

 

https://www.themosco...at-is-it-a64461

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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