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Napisano 14 lipiec 2019 - 11:36

Dyatlov Pass mystery victims could have been on KGB mission — researcher

 

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Napisano 20 lipiec 2019 - 11:33

Yuri Yudin's diary

 

Transcript of the diary in English

 

https://dyatlovpass....uri-yudin-diary

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 20 lipiec 2019 - 11:36

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 Yudin - the sole survivor from Dyatlov Pass

 

 
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Ill Yuri Yudin embraces Lyudmila Dubinina goodbye. They will never see each other again.
It is unlikely that today the name of Yuri Yudin, the former deputy head of Solikamsk for economics, would have been so widely discussed outside the Urals if it were not for the tragedy that took place on February 2, 1959 with a group of hikers led by Igor Dyatlov on the pass at Kholat Syakhl.
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Yuri Yudin, born July 19 1937, died April 27 2013 aged 75
As is known, sixty years ago, the mutilated bodies of young climbers were found there.
All nine. In addition to one survivor - Yuri Yudin. As a student of the Urals Polytechnic Institute, he made it in the group of ten, who went on this ill fated trip.
What was it - an accident or a planned military operation, and what is the role of a Solikamsk official in it?
 

Was he in love?

 

Citing "Komsomolskaya Pravda" from April 29, 2013, in which it was reported about the death of the tenth (survivor) member of Dyatlov group, Yuri Yudin until the end of days kept a fluffy toy - a teddy bear, gift from Lyudmila Dubinina.
She gave him this toy shortly before her death.
Luda’s life was cut short on the same pass where a few days before they planned to go along with Yura.
She was the youngest of the group - only 20 years old.
When they found her lifeless body, the girl had 10 broken ribs.
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Lyudmila Dubinina
Until the end of his days, the surviving member of Dyatlov group Yuri Yudin reproached himself that he didn't save Lyudochka.
He never married, and this started the famous romantic legend.
Was it true or not we will never know.
Yuri Yefimovich himself always denied a love relationship with Lyuda:
— There was nothing like that between us.
We were all good friends, and nothing else!
At that time, the relationship between young people was completely different than now.
We slept side by side in the same tent and under the same blanket, but there was nothing intimate.
However, shortly before her mysterious death, Lyudmila made the following entry in her diary:
“…Yurka Yudin is going back home today.
It is a pity, of course, to part with him, especially for Zina and me, but we can't do anything about it….”
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Frame from the feature film "The Secret of the Mountain of the Dead" 2013
In this very film, Yuri Yudin says:
“It was a sad farewell for everyone.
We went there with a porter and when he was already hurrying back.
Come on, come on, faster, so all goodbyes were rushed and sad.
They gave me a mascot, a teddy bear.
I still keep it, this mascot.”
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Yudin holding the mascot Lyuda gave him.
Today, the teddy bear is kept in the Dyatlov Foundation (Kuntsevich residence). Photo
 

Guilty without guilt

 

Until the end of his days, the surviving member of Dyatlov group from Solikamsk was tormented by guilt not only because of the death of the girl, but also of the other eight comrades.
— Then he used to live all his life, came every year on February 2 to Yekaterinburg at the cemetery and was saying to his friends with tears in his eyes: “I should have been with you,” recalled Sergey Sogrin, one of the rescuers who took part in the search for the group in 1959.
Maybe things could have been different had he continued, maybe they could have lived?
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Yuri Yefimovich repeatedly told journalists and documentalists how he set off under the leadership of Igor Dyatlov on that same fatal trek to the Mountain of the Dead.
Yudin explained: already in route, his sciatic nerve inflamed.
The pain was unbearable, I had to go home.
— When we drove in the back of the truck there was a strong draft, he explained hurriedly.
- I have radiculitis from a young age...
At first I thought that this was temporary, it would pass, this happened to me many times.
One time when we went with Dyatlov Altay the doctor wrote a referral to me there, and where I could get help from first-aid posts on the trip.
They wrote that I had "erythema", it was summer, I could warm my leg and lower back in the sun.
But then in the back of the truck we had no cover, the wind was blowing on us, I reached 2nd Northern, and then it got even worse...
What else can I say...
I hoped that it would pass...
By the way, Yuri Yudin didn't believe that the cause of the death of his friends was a natural disaster, in particular an avalanche.
He adhered to the theory that they were victims of tests of super-powerful weapons, after all, not so far from the pass, now called after the leader of the group was a military testing ground.
Meanwhile, theories have been piling up around the name of Yuri Yefimovich one after another, which even today can be found in the forums dedicated to the Dyatlov Pass case.
Say, Yuri Yudin personally from the special services learned about the danger threatening his hiking group and cowardly chose to run away, but the guys went to perform an important military mission.
One can imagine the acute sense of guilt that has poisoned him the next half century of life.
Another theory: Yudin knew more than he told reporters, since he was made by the Federal Security Service sign non disclosure for military secrets.
Yudin gave food for such rumors himself.
He moved to Solikamsk and kept silent about being the tenth sole survivor in the ill-fated Dyatlov group.
 

Yudin in Solikamsk

 

A year after the tragic events, Yuri Yefimovich graduated from the engineering and economics department of the Ural Polytechnic Institute.
He was sent to Solikamsk to work at a local magnesium plant, and he stayed in this city after his term was up.
This was for the good of the local residents.
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28 Jan 1959 in 2nd Northern settlement - Yuri Yudin holding geological core
According to the recollections of people who knew him, Yudin was the soul of the company, cheerful, resourceful, energetic.
Very quickly around this charismatic person, with passion for hiking, rallied a circle of young people who grew up over time in the hiking club "Polyus".
Yuri Yudin was his indisputable leader until the end of his days .
Valentina Vezner, a resident of Solikamsk, recalled Yuri with nostalgia:
— He actively participated not only in the work of our club, but also closely contacted both the society for the protection of nature and the society for preservation of architectural monuments.
We, the hikers, watched over the cultural monuments so that they did not fall apart.
Everything that we found valuable in the treks (ancient crafts, household items and tools), Yuri collected and carried away to the regional museum, where they are now stored.
According to another Solikamian, Yuri Kuntsevich, Yudin was an extraordinary man.
They went hiking together.
"Although Yuri Yefimovich was already approaching seventy, he never complained about difficulties along the way.
On the contrary, he was always ready to help weaker comrades.
We, of course, felt sorry for him and did not allow him to carry our luggage, as he wanted."
The people who knew Yudin were amazed by one more feature: he was sincere and at the same time so interesting to talk to that one immediately feels respect toward him.
He communicated with everyone at his own level, without lowering his high intellectual standards.
In the nineties, Yuri Efimovich was waiting for his career to take off - he was appointed deputy head of the city for economic policy.
And this did Solikamsk only good.
It was he who pushed through some significant projects for the local culture.
Irina Kiyashko, a resident of the city, in her documentary film "The Tenth. A Life-Long Hike" names him with inspiration a deputy mayor and just a good person:
— I think Solikamsk was extremely fortunate that fate brought to the city such an extraordinary and bright person.
The wide horizon of Yuri Yudin amazed everyone who had been in contact with him.
He was not just an avid hiker and selfless mentor of youth.
Even working on economic development in the city administration, Yuri Yefimovich found time to address issues of culture, ecology, the preservation of historical and natural monuments, and the patriotic education of schoolchildren.
It was he who stood at the origins of the creation in Solikamsk of the mineralogical museum and the Oleinikov Museum of Artists, preparing documents for the transfer of the Ust-Borovsky salt factory under the auspices of UNESCO.
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Despite his intense social activities and active life position, Yuri Yudin remained a very lonely person until the end of his days.
As Irina Kiyashko correctly noted in her documentary film, he probably deliberately loaded herself with an abundance of work in order to be less alone with the ghosts of the nine comrades whom he had deserted in their last expedition ...
Especially Lyuda, a very cute, very brave girl.
Shortly before his death, the seventy-five-year-old man locked himself in an apartment, to friends and acquaintances he explained the reclusion as follows: I am writing a novel about the Dyatlov Pass.
When, after a while, they found the body of the pensioner Yudin, they did not find the manuscript of the novel, only a lot of newspaper clippings about the ill-fated pass and attempts to substantiate what had happened.
He died at 75 from rheumatic heart disease.
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The ashes of Yuri Yudin are buried in Mihaylovskoe cemetery, next to the remains of the other seven members of Dyatlov group.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 20 lipiec 2019 - 11:36

Юрий Юдин - участник группы Дятлова

 

Turn on CC (Closed Captioning) and auto-translate to English.

 

 

 

Видео "Комсомольской правды".

 

Здесь оригинал https://www.alt.kp.r...ly/26789/382...

 

Видео поставлено в качестве иллюстрации для поста "Фальшивые съемки, объяснение странностям дневников группы Дятлова.

 

Конец дятловедения" - https://gorojanin-iz...vejournal.co...

 

Чем оно интересно?

 

На 14:30 Юдин благоразумно "ничего не помнит" про обстоятельства знаменитой фотографии "прощание с Дубининой на 2-м Северном".

 

Фотомонтажа, как и все съемки дятловцев с 27.01.1959.

 

В остальное время уходит от простейшего вопроса: кто нес уникальную палатку дятловцев?

 

Потому что на него невозможно ответить))



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Napisano 21 lipiec 2019 - 19:21

Тайна горы мертвецов.

 

Перевал Дятлова Фильм HD

 

 

 

 

 

 

HOW TO TURN ON AUTO TRANSLATION IN YOUTUBE

 

  1. Turn on the Closed Captioning (CC)
  2. Go to Settings
  3. Go to Subtitles/CC Russian (auto-generated) ›
  4. Choose Auto-translate
  5. Choose English (or any other language)
  6. You have auto translated captions in English

 

 

 

 

В основе фильма "Тайна горы мертвецов.

 

Перевал Дятлова" лежит история, которая произошла в Свердловске в 1959 году, когда группа туристов-лыжников, в основном состоявшая из студентов-пятикурсников "Уральского политехнического института", а также одного выпускника того же вуза и инструктора местной "туристической базы (всего 9 человек), отправляется в лыжный переход по маршруту поселок Ивдель – поселок Вижай.

 

Возглавлял группу один из студентов УПИ Игорь Дятлов.

 

Позже ее так и назовут: группа Дятлова.

 

Протяженность маршрута должна была составить не менее 350 км.

 

По критериям того времени переход можно было отнести к категории "особой сложности".

 

В конце января 1959 года, вопреки ожиданиям родственников и близких, группа не вышла в намеченное время и в назначенное место.

 

Первыми забили тревогу родственники.

 

Именно они настояли на вылете к месту возможного исчезновения туристов группы спасателей.

 

И уже через несколько дней у горы Холатчахль (в переводе с языка манси - "Гора мертвецов") спасатели обнаруживают брошенную палатку.

 

Чуть позже находят тела первых троих погибших.

 

Через несколько дней - еще двоих.

 

Четверых последних обнаружат только в начале мая 1959 года, когда сойдет снег.

 

Уже с самых первых дней исследование тел погибших и характер обнаруженных ранений – а в ряде случаев, как установило следствие, именно они стали причиной гибели туристов - порождают множество слухов о причинах их гибели.

 

Уже в те дни по Свердловску гуляют самые невероятные версии: попали в зону испытаний нового оружия, убили беглые заключенные, охотники-манси и так далее.

 

Вскоре волну этих слухов подстегивает информация о том, что, так и не найдя причин гибели людей, следственные органы закрывают дело.

 

Якобы чуть ли не по личному распоряжению главы КГБ СССР тех лет – Александра Шелепина.



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Napisano 25 lipiec 2019 - 19:03

Maslennikov Evgeniy Polikarpovich, (1924-1983) Master of Sports, Head of the UPI sports club, leading the search operation in 1959.

 

He was expecting the search to be over in a much shorter period of time, hence the 12 sheet first notebook.

 

The second notebook is four time bigger.

 

The reality got to him.

 

And the searches were still far from over.

Transcript in both Russian and English is published for first time on https://dyatlovpass....nnikov-notebook

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 25 lipiec 2019 - 19:06

The real deal is Maslennikov's second notebook, the so called "notebook with brown cover".

 

The notebook entirely scanned has never been published before.

 

Karelin, who has in his possession both Maslennikov's notebooks gave access to Komsomolskaya Pravda, who only published scans of a few pages, and nothing has been translated before.

 

As I said - Maslennikov was expecting the search to be over in a much shorter period of time, hence the 12 sheet first notebook https://dyatlovpass....nnikov-notebook

The second notebook is four times bigger and with thicker covers.

 

It will be published in its entirety in both Russian and English same time tomorrow.

 

Its contents raises some very controversial questions.

 

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Napisano 25 lipiec 2019 - 19:09

Maslennikov 2nd notebook.

 

Maslennikov Evgeniy Polikarpovich, (1924-1983) Master of Sports, Head of the UPI sports club, leading the search operation in 1959.

 

Maslennikov's notebooks were not part of the criminal case.

 

They have never been looked at during the investigation.

 

This is the first time when they have been published in their entirety with full transcript in both Russian and English.

 

The second book raises some controversial questions.

 

It is a very interesting reading about the way search was executed, the moral climate and how time and findings affected the rescue members.

 

Also the reaction of the leaders.

 

Do you see any traces of cover up or attempts to obstruct the search or hide evidence?

 

Don't just read other people's opinion, make up your own mind.

 

Here are the writings of the man who lead the search.

 

https://dyatlovpass....ok-2?rbid=18461

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 25 lipiec 2019 - 19:12

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Maslennikov 2nd notebook

 

 
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Evgeniy Polikarpovich Maslennikov
Evgeniy Polikarpovich Maslennikov (1924-1983) Master of Sports, Head of the UPI sports club, leading the search operation in 1959.

His notebooks were not part of the criminal case.
They have never been looked at during the investigation.
You can find them scanned with full transcript in both Russian and English on the following links.
This is the first time when they have been published in their entirety.
Notebook 1 (12 sheets)
Notebook 2 (brown cover)
The two notebooks are currently in possession of Karelin.
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Vladislav Georgievich Karelin
Vladislav Georgievich Karelin (born 1932) in 1959 UPI student, leader of a rescue group 25-Feb-1959 dropped off on Kholat Syakhl, he and soldiers from Lt. Potapov group found with their probes the body of Slobodin on 5-Mar-1959.
Here is his story, how he got involved in the case.
Karelin group finished a trek to Mount Molebny Kamen from 9 to 24 Feb 1959.
They started in the area of the upper sources Nyols river towards Mount Sampalchakhl 910 where Dyatlov group was supposed to end their trek at the same time.
Both groups had discussed meeting near Oykachakhl 1322.
When Dyatlov was a no show Karelin didn't made big deal of it and they continued their way.
Two weeks later 25 Feb 1959 in a dining room at the train station of Serov city a man, calling himself a representative of Northern geological party, approached the hikers and asked casually "Aren't they searching for you?"
They answered warily "What do you mean search?
We are not due yet."
They called hastily Sverdlovsk and learned from Orlov about the missing Dyatlov group.
They were summoned to participate in the search operation.
Two of the members, Goryachko and Granin, were in no shape to continue and were sent back to Sverdlovsk.
The other six members: Vladislav Karelin, Georgiy Atmanaki, Boris Borisov, Evgeniy Serdityh, Vladimir Skutin and Vladimir Shavkunov joined the rescuers in Ivdel by train same day at 11 pm.
Back to the notebook in hand. It is not a diary, but the entries and radiograms are dated.
Some are out or order, some are not present in the case files, no difference here as anything about this case - confusing and dubious.
Not clear if intentionally or because of stress and harsh environment.
It is a very interesting reading about the way search was executed, the moral climate and how time and findings affected the rescue members.
Also the reaction of the leaders.
Do you see any traces of cover up or attempts to obstruct the search or hide evidence?
Don't just read other people's opinion, make up your own mind. Here are the writings of the man who lead the search. It's a good start.
I will give you some pointers that I found interesting while reading.
 

What happened to the original Evening Otorten?

 

The original is not in the criminal case.
Moreover, none of the searchers saw it in the tent.
Maslennikov did not see the flyer in the tent himself.
On 4.III (can be seen on previous page of the notebook) Pavlov radiograms from Ivdel to Maslennikov (who is on the pass leading the search operation): A satirical flyer was found "evening otorten" dated by Dyatlov group February 1.
This radiogram is also not in the case files.
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Maslennikov 2nd notebook radiogram from Ivdel on 4 Mar 1959
Only pilot Potyazhenko remembered that he had seen Evening Otorten in the tent.
Most likely he took the searches plan for their operation for Dyatlov group's flyer.
No one else remembered seeing Evening Otorten in a tent.
Judging by the testimonies most likely the satirical flyer went into the backpack with small items gathered around the tent, hauled to the helipad, transported on 3 Mar 1959 to Ivdel, then the items were taken out and Pavlov sent the message noted in Maslennikov’s notebook on 4 Mar 1959.
On that same page it says under 5. Investigation of items is not over.
Protocol inspection of items found at the scene
(Until this moment the search party members had the items randomly put in their backpacks)
Atmanaki witness testimony - page 214 back
All remained undisturbed except for one backpack in which small things were gathered around the tent.
page 215
...everything was packed in a backpack, except for the diary and documents sent to the base camp
E. P. Maslennikov witness testimony
When the inspection was over the tent was dragged to the helipad at a distance of 600-700.
It is believed that after inspection, items from the tent were put back into the tent and all were dragged to the helipad and lifted on 3 Mar 1959.
Why was Evening Otorten typed for the case files and nobody seen the original?
Was it because it was falling apart from humidity?
Could be, but most likely the reason for the retyping of the Evening Otorten is the same for the group diary and the unknown diary that were included in the case file and what that reason is will remain unknown.
This leads us to the question
 

Where are the diaries now?

 

We are discussing this here because Maslennikov most probably didn’t see “Evening Otorten” but saw the diaries.
He copied some of the entries in his 2nd notebook.
The diaries that the prosecutor took away contained more records.
The group diary ends with Dyatlov’s entry from 31/I, the unknown diary ends on 30/I.
The originals of these two have never been published, only typed copies.
The rest of the diaries were given back to the relatives and eventually ended up in Dyatlov foundation.
Atmanaki witness testimony
...everything was packed in a backpack, except for the diary and documents sent to the base camp
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Atmanaki witness testimony
 
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Maslennikov 2nd notebook
1. Group diary "In the country of mysterious signs". Unknown diary
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Unknown diary
2. New tent construction. Dyatlov group diary
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Dyatlov group diary
3. New method of walking - 5 min w/o backpack, rest 10-15 minutes and catch up the group (nonstop method)

31/I - Dyatlov: we came out of the tree line.
Wind is western, penetrating, with a speed similar to the air draft created by a taking off airplane.
I can't even start thinking of setting up a storage.
It's close to 4 we are going down Auspiya river.
Not enough firewood, frail damp firs, started fire with logs, supper in the tent.
Warm.
"It is hard to imagine such a comfort somewhere on the ridge, with a piercing wind, hundreds kilometers away from human settlements.”
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Last entry by Dyatlov in the group diary on 31/I
4. 1/II Slobodin - didn't write anything. Slobodin’s diary
 
Missing documents
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Yuri Krivonischneko topos (schematic drawings of the route)
 
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Doroshenko, Zina, Dubinina, uncle Slava Velikyavichus on the sledge, Yudin, Dyatlov, Tibo, Slobodin, and most probably Yuri Krivonischenko in the back drawing topos
Yurka Kri is behind and makes topos of the route. Dyatlov group diary
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Diatlov group diary entry for 28/I
We haven’t seen this topos.
Never published.
 

How was time of death established?

 

  • There is a radiogram from 1/III’59 stating that the date of death is established
    The date of the disaster is exactly established to have occurred on the night of February 2nd.
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Maslennikov 2nd notebook telegram from 1/III'59
  • On 1/III all the bodies found (4) are still on the pass. They will be lifted off on 3/III
  • On 1/III the tent and all belongings are still on the pass, they will also be lifted off on 3/III.
  • The satirical flyer (dated 1/II) will be found among the items from the tent only on 4/III, which coincides with the fact that on the 3/III the items are lifted off, and on 4/III they are taken out and protocoled in Ivdel.
  • There are no entries in any of the known diaries after 31/I
 
On the basis of what, by 1/III, it was precisely established that disaster occurred on the night of February 2nd?
 

Monument

 

It is still 3/III, only Krivonischenko, Doroschenko, Dyatlov and Kolmogorova were found.
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Maslennikov is planing a monument for the victims.
According to unofficial sources the temporary monument was built in April (when Blinov arrived on 14/IV it was already there) in the area of the helipad on the pass.
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Rescuers, Kurikov to the right and the temporary monument drawn by Masslennikov in his 2nd notebook.
The monument was (re)moved when Yakimenko installed the memorial plaque in 1963.
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Commander Potyazhenko - article in local newspaper

 

Exclusive: man from city of Vladimir was silent for 50 years about how he found the bodies on Dyatlov pass

 

Author: Aleksey Kandalov
Published in PROГОРОД on 12 Feb 2014
 
Recently, relatives of the hikers that died on "Dyatlov Pass" appealed to the Prosecutor’s Office of the Sverdlovsk Region.
Close family members made a request to open a new investigation.
As they consider, it is impossible to draw an unequivocal conclusion about the causes of death for the whole group.
Today our compatriot Victor Potyazhenko called the Pro Gorod editorial office.
He said that he was living witness to the events on Mount Otorten.
According to him, there are a lot of inaccuracies and inventions in documentaries about what happened.
He wants to tell everything he knows about the events that occurred 55 years ago.
The participant in those events met us at home.
As it turned out, his wife - Margarita Potyazhenko, is also directly related to the incident.
She was a radio operator when it all happened.
Half a century has passed, but the events of that time are still being discussed by experts, various theories are being circulated.
Pensioners confessed: until the last moment they had not told anyone about what they knew about the terrible event.
The mysterious story happened in February 1959.
On the slopes of the mountain, the name of which, translated from the language of the Mansi, sounds like “Don't go there”, under unexplained circumstances, a group of tourists died.
Search teams who found them and forensic medical experts were surprised by what they saw there ...
 
How it all began
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– At that time I served in a squadron in the Northern Urals - I was a flight commander, Victor Potyazhenko recalls.
- On the eve of February 23, we received an order: tomorrow you will go on the AN-2, Yak-12 aircraft, the Mi-4 helicopter to the city of Ivdel. (At that time, however, as now, it was the center for serving sentences of prisoners).
They also added: Commander Gorlak, the Chief of Staff of the Air Force in the Urals District, will fly with you. Unfortunately, I have forgotten his name already.
We prepared the planes, and flew to a given point.
Arrived, landed on a small airfield.
I look around: there is militia everywhere.
Everybody running around, fussing.
Well, I think - maybe someone escaped from prisoners, so they are looking for them now.
Later it turned out that on the night of February 1 and 2 a group of Sverdlovsk students did not get back.
The students went hiking, which was timed to the XXI Congress of the CPSU.
For 16 days, the participants in the trek were to ski no less than 350 km along the north of the Sverdlovsk region and make the ascent to the North Ural mountains Otorten and Oyko-Chakur.
At some pint, they did not reach the final destination of their route.
From the latest reports, the coordinates of the place of possible overnight stay were known.
As it became clear, the military was sent to search for them.
– They gave me an order to fly over and inspect the area from the air, the participant of events continues to recall.
- Of course, there were big doubts that we would find anything from the height.
It was necessary to fly 12 kilometers from Ivdel along the railway.
After that, another 50 kilometers to the mountains, where, after 500-600 meters, an ominous plateau opened up.
The interviewee admitted flying was scary.
Around changeable relief, alternating plateau.
And above the bare, gray landscape - a thick "cap" of clouds. His first landing was in the forest, on a pre-cleared site.
– There was a dense, impassable forest.
The height of some cedars reached 5 meters.
I requested an area for landing - 50 to 50 meters to be cut down.
The square is such that the blades don't touch the branches.
That's where I had to "land".
The second time I had on board the dog handlers with the dogs.
This is where strange things start to happen.
 
About the strange events
When large service shepherd dogs were tried to be pulled out of the rotary-winged aircraft, they began to resist, to tear from the leashes.
– Search dogs rested paws on the floor.
They literally pulled out of the compartment.
And when the animals were outside, they lowered their ears and tails.
The animals clearly expressed anxiety. 
They felt something.
You know, when they were taken back after the searches, they fled aboard.
It was probably possible to walk on them, someone might have come inadvertently - but they didn’t even snap.
Although, on the first day one dog bit my spouse by the leg.
Here, they were obedient, so long as they were not touched, - our interlocutor noted this interesting observation.
 
How was the tent found
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That day, Victor was lucky to find a tent. Everything happened completely by accident.
Canine went into the mountains to search.
The helicopter took off, made a circle and flew towards the base.
After 500 meters, the pilot saw something similar to a tent.
– It was certainly difficult to discern the outlines, the interlocutor confessed.
- When I flew "home" I passed by radio: the object is located directly from the place from which we took off.
There hastily sent a search party on the same evening...
 
Remembering the scene
And in the morning, our hero was in the scene.
With the dawn, he set off with a new team to the pass.
After some time, a snow-covered tent was found, with a wall cut from the inside.
Everything was left inside, as if that night something made everyone run out without turning back.
– Everything was completely untouched, - he confirmed vis-à-vis.
- Things lay in their places - everyone ran out in what they were.
In the tent were preserved all the products, alcohol, money left.
Inside was a lamp, a sheet of paper was attached with plans for the next day.
Remember?
There was a version that the guys were attacked by runaway convicts.
But the fact that everything was untouched, suggests otherwise.
And it was unlikely that those who escaped could hold out for a long time in freezing cold...
We looked at everything and discussed it.
And then they all went down the steep slope.
In some places, it was all powdered with snow on which we saw tracks of footprints.
They all led down to the valley...
 
Results from the search
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On that day, February 26, the first victims of a mysterious incident were found.
– The body of a man lying in the snow with arms outstretched, - the memory of the pensioner draws terrible images.
- The corpse is all frozen, it was icy.
When we had to carry it, I happen to grab the heel.
And it broke off!
I tried to put it back in place, but where there.
So he left it there, because the body was inconvenient to carry.
Victor's wife, Margarita Potyazhenko added: at that time there were severe frosts.
My husband had to warm the helicopter for two hours in order to prepare it for a flight.
The air temperature sometimes dropped to minus 52 degrees.
The conversation returned to the topic of the terrible find.
Some time after the discovery of the first body, another 3 were found.
They lay in a kind of lowland, near the ascent to the mountain.
An experienced “flyer” remembered broken branches of fir trees, scattered sticks.
So far it remains a mystery what did teh dead need them for.
– Nearby was a trace of a campfire, the snow was smoky.
Means, they kindled a fire.
Of course, maybe they wanted to make flooring, but why?
There are a lot of questions.
The prosecutor with the investigator constantly went aside to whisper, to discuss something.
We decided that the bodies could have been buried by snow.
They decided to search the holes with special probes, - the witness added.
They searched for the rest of the members of Dyatlov group for weeks.
After several more days from the moment of the first "finds", the body of a woman was unearthed, with burnt clothes.
And then, until May, they continued to search for people who were considered missing.
In the middle of the month, they found 3 mutilated corpses with gouged eyes, burns, no tongue ...
 
What are the versions of what happened?
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Victor Vasilyevich and Margarita Ivanovna Potyazhenko
There are a great many theories about what happened on that unfortunate night.
Various versions have been published - from mystical, to natural phenomena.
Among others: bacteriological weapons sprayed over the forest.
But Potyazhenko finds this version amusing.
They reacted with a smile to another version: an American spy entered the ranks of the group, and "cleaned" the witnesses.
– All this is untrue, - the spouses laugh.
- Why test bacteriological weapons over a completely deserted territory!
And speculation about a spy, so it is generally a fairy tale.
We guess what could happen there, but we were silent all the time.
In those days, Margarita worked as a radio operator, received and transmitted urgent radiograms.
She well remembers how one day during the search she heard: a rocket landed on Otorten.
– I remember those exact words, - assures our fellow countrywoman.
- They said that a rocket landed in the mountains.
And then came a refutation.
Nothing like that happen, it just looked like it.
All this, of course, was strange. Moreover, on the night of April 1 and 2 there was an inexplicable event.
 
What we were told about the strange event
Margaret’s husband, Victor, joined the conversation again.
The man said: that night, when the search continued, a luminous object hung above the soldiers' tent.
– The lieutenant told me then, but I didn't believe it.
I thought he is fooling me on the April 1st.
And everyone said that a luminous "donut" hang above the tent.
The attendant dozed off when the whole neighborhood lit up like during the day.
He's a soldier and shouted: "Oh lads, I overslept, the sun is shining."
He runs out into the street, but this thing hangs over his head, everything is glowing.
Boy starts screaming, wakes everyone up...
Then at three in the morning, we were looking for everyone in the surrounding forests.
Everyone was very scared.
 
What do our interlocutors think?
The couple are sure that no one will ever tell about the true causes of the tragedy.
They tend to believe in an extraterrestrial trace in the case of the death of the group.
According to them: that night, something inexplicable happened to the mind of an ordinary person.
They become believers on August 23, 1973.
- I saw "them", although if I had said this before, I would have been taken to a psychiatric hospital.
It all happened near the village of Peshino, near Izhevsk.
These "guests" literally floated over the buckwheat field ...
I remember their tall stature, under 3 meters.
I was really scared of course.
As the hostess added later: my husband after this incident didn't come to himself for a long time.
Partially he lost his memory.
But most importantly, in spite of the version in the documentaries, that everyone who faced Otorten's secret died, this didn't.
Our countrymen remember every day when they searched for the 9 young people.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 31 lipiec 2019 - 19:09

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Commander Potyazhenko - interview

 

"The tent of the students was like a swallow's nest"

 

Memories of Commander V. V. Potyazhenko
Published by Maria Piskareva on 5 Mar 2014
 
Olga Zavadskaya visited on March 4 and 5, 2014 spouses Potyazhenko - Victor Vasilyevich and Margarita Ivanovna.
March 6, Victor Vasilyevich has a birthday.
He is born in 1933.
Olga asked Potyazhenko spouses some questions and informed me about the results of this meeting.
Here is her story:
I was visiting today the spouses Potyazhenko.
They gave me three hours.
Wonderful, simple, cute people!
Victor Vasilyevich himself told everything.
Of course, much of the memory has been erased or altered.
They saw on REN TV a film about Dyatlov group, they called the station but nobody wanted to listen to them.
Margarita Ivanovna said that they spent significant amount of money calling.
They wanted to correct the mistakes.
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Victor Vasilyevich and Margarita Ivanovna Potyazhenko
Victor Vasilyevich participated in the search for Dyatlov group from February 24-25 to May 5.
He was the ONLY ONE flywing to the pass, he only changed helicopters, so they can refuel.
"In Ivdel, Colonel Ortyukov commanded my flights, the order was to fly to Otorten."
He doesn’t remember exactly the day when he flew to the pass for the first time, but says it was February 24th or 25th.
Victor Vasilyevich recalls: a white, snow-covered, flat top.
The helicopter landed at the rock remnant, which is in the photo in the newspaper.
All these photos are from his album.
Potyazhenko flew a MI-4 helicopter by route, which he was told - to Mount Otorten.
Along Lozva.
The top of the mountain was a bare snow plateau.
And he said that it was creepy to fly in that area.
In an emergency, he said, we would not have found it.
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Photos pertinent to the search on the pass: Photo 1 Photo 2 Photo 3
Victor Potyazhenko claims that it was he who discovered the tent on the slope during flying over the pass, together with Ortyukov.
A small group of comrades in black sheepskin coats were on the ground, with a small tent already pitched in the forest i.e. there were people present already.
It can be assumed that Ortyukov was in the dark about the big game, started by someone...
Victor Potyazhenko was then a flight commander.
Following orders they flew to Ivdel on the 1st helicopter and Yak-12 aircraft.
On the plane Gorlachenko circled the area to survey the area for search to check whether helicopters could fly there.
And flew back to Sverdlovsk.
The orders where to fly gave Ortyukov.
He flew by helicopter to Otorten.
And they sat on the pass at the boot rock.
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The Yak-12 with General Gorlachenko flew back to Sverdlovsk.

He himself then flew to the search party, brought supplies: food..., people brought there and back.
There were 4 people in the crew: technician, navigator...
Pilot Patrushev, he did not know.
But there BEFORE the students there were already a lot of people.
On the first arrival they brought a radio station (weighs 20 kg), the next day - a big stove.
The day after they discovered the tent from the air, they flew in with the investigator and prosecutor, with Ortyukov.
And the next day, the bodies were found.
Victor Vasilyevich says that he didn’t see any students at first, only the military.
And on the first flight, besides the investigator, were flying people in black fur coats.
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The helicopter could take on board up to 12 people (max - 16).
He flew to the pass alone, only changed helicopters.
Victor Vasilyevich approached the tent, the tent was not heavily covered with snow.
The tent itself was not tilted, with a slight imclination, the sidewall was cut...
He looked through the entrance and saw the combat leaflet attached near the entrance ...
The tent was not collapsed, covered with snow only from the side of the slope.
On the opposite side there were cuts.
You could could see inside the tent.
I asked today how was the combat leaflet attached?
He said literally the following: "As if wetted and glued to the tent, and the water froze."
It was written: Combat leaflet, below: "Evening Otorten", and lower on two halves - on one: what they did today, on the other: tasks for tomorrow.
About the flashlight he didn't say anything.
I asked twice about the flashlight.
He said: "a flashlight, a light bulb...", and kept thinking.
Victor Vasilyevich said that he did not correspond with journalist G.K. Grigoriev.
We flew to the pass without refueling.
The airfield is 3 km from Ivdel.
Apparently, he confuses the mileage.
It seems to him that they flew quickly.
If he had been given a normal aeronautical map it's 5 km, he would have shown everything.
But the wife says to fly is more than an hour.
She herself did not participate in the search.
She was a radio operator in Ivdel.
One helicopter from Kaunas was called in to help!
"The presumption was that there would be a lot of work and I could not do it alone".
The pilot was one - Potyazhenko.
Victor Vasilyevich claims that he lifted 3 bodies in early March.
He does not remember the rest.
He helped to load them into the helicopter, the corpses were clean, completely frozen (February)
The blades of a helicopter span 21 m, total length 32m.
In the newspaper article the heading is inaccurate - Victor Vasilyevich did not find the dead bodies.
Only the tent on the slope, "a tent like a swallow's nest"...
Victor Vasilyevich flew to visit the Mansi Stepan Kurikov with him on the search with the permission of Colonel Ortyukov.
Margarita Ivanovna told how she was on duty (radio operator in the Ural district). On radar - a stranger aircraft ....
"It was May 1, 1960.
It is not pertinent to the search ”- remarks V. V. Potyazhenko.
Margarita Ivanovna flew to the slope only once, out of curiosity.
A dog bit her in Ivdel.
Apparently, the dog didn’t like something, and slightly bit Margaret Ivanovna’s foot.
Victor Vasilyevich wanted to say that there were very clever dogs on the slope.
And, by the way, the spouses don't find"extraterrestrial trace" in the death of the group.
V. V. said that in May he did not refuse to carry bodies to Sverdlovsk, since only there was a requirement to put them in metal containers.
No one threatened him with a pistol (according to Askinadzi - ed. note).
He didn't have a gun either. In the photo* with the holster it is not him.
Again, there was no gun.
* Olga Zavadskaya had with her this photo.
She asked him if he was the man to the right with the holster. V. V. said no.
Later on we speculate that he might be the man on the left with the USSR Air Force pilot cap with wings insignia, but this is not confirmed.
Margarita Ivanovna was not his wife at that time, they married a year later.
He took her from Ivdel. In 1959 she worked at the airfield in Ivdel as radio operator.
They only requested weather reports from the pass.
And there is a radiogram asking about a meteorocket.
Margarita Ivanovna claims that the Patrushev was not allowed to fly to the pass, he did not fly there.
It is interesting that V. V. does not remember any students.
That he transported only a soldier.
He did not dropped off anyone at Otorten...
He was the flight commander of the rescue team.
Victor Vasilyevich himself said that it was very difficult for a helicopter to fly there.
"It is even harder than even in the Caucasus mountains..."
Many of V.V. Potyazhenko's answers raised new questions, it was necessary to clarify them one by one, when and with whom Victor Vasilyevich flew to the pass for the first time.
Olga gave me the phone number of the spouses Potyazhenko, and I called them.
Victor Vasilyevich answered all the questions, we talked for a long time, the telephone connection was breaking, but I dialed his number again and again until I found out all the incomprehensible moments for me.
Many thanks to Victor Vasilyevich for this conversation, for the kindness with which he treated me.
Our conversations followed the questions.
– Victor Vasilyevich, the article in the local newspaper has caused a great debate on the Internet.
I myself did not understand a lot. Please, let's step through each vague point.
First question: You received an order to fly to the pass.
Where were you at this time?
– Where I served.
Aramil.
– You got to the helicopter and flew directly to the search area as ordered?
– We flew to Ivdel.
From there Gorlachenko on a plane flew over the area for search.
I looked whether everything was normal there, safe for our helicopters to fly.
He told me to stay behind for the main (search - ed. note), get settled, and he flew away to Sverdlovsk.
– You flew on February 23?
– We flew on February 24 since the orders were military aircraft not to fly on holidays.
– Who flew with you on your first flight to the search area?
– Colonel Ortyukov, an investigator, someone else from the investigators, several people in black fur coats and dog handlers with dogs.
The first flight: looked where to land, how to land.
A military camp was already set up at Mount Otorten.
They cut a hole for me. I looked ...
I can't land.
– Where did you fly, as the area was called?
– I don't remember the names.
Otorten, I did not know any other mountains, I must say.
I call it the "Otorten mountain region".
There was already a camp, a small tent.
They cut a site in a forest measuring 30 by 30, but I have a helicopter blade size of 32 meters; I said I would not land down.
Landed on the rock remnant.
... they unloaded a large stove and a large army tent.
They brought them a radio station.
I asked them to cut an area at least 50 by 50m and cut a 500m passage to it.
When they were ready, I landed on this site only once.
The cargo was unloaded while hovering.
After that I brought pilots to learn how to land in this well.
We trained there.
– What kind of radio station?
– Such a simple box.
You pick up the handset and talk.
Like a phone.
– The men in black fur coats*, who do you think they were?
Military army or military from Ivdellag?
Were they armed?
*At that time there were two types of fur coats used in the military made from sheepskin: guard's coat and officer's coat, they both were made in light and dark color.
Here in an example of a man wearing black officer's coat on the pass.
Looking at the search photos from 1959 I was pondering how come Potyazhenko made a note of the black and not the lighter color sheepskin coats like the ones marked with purple arrows in this photo.
The red arrow is same man from the previous photo.
It might be the that the purple ones are not sheepskin but made from felt i.e. on the collar lapel of a fur coat you can see fur.
And there is no fur on the lapel of an overcoat.
Could be that Potyazhenko was impressed only by the more expensive sheepskin officer's coats.
– These were from Ivdellag*.
Men in black fur coats came, I could not see if they were carrying weapons.
They immediately went into the forest.
*The prevailing opinion is that a similar dark coat could be worn by military railway workers (Lt.Col. Shestopalov sappers) or officers of the Ivdellag.
The soldiers of Ivdellag wore a green (khaki) uniforms sheepskin coats (тулуп), and quilted jackets (ватник).
– How many dogs?
– Two dogs, dogs were with dog handlers.
Tails between their legs.
They did not want to leave the helicopter.
Later, dog handlers told me that the dogs felt in advance when the helicopter arrived, they were already preparing, waiting.
They were afraid that they would be left there.
– How did you find the tent?
– When soared, on acceleration speed and climb; I look - below something looks like a tent.
Ortyukov pointed - see!
He waved his head..
Said, we'll see tomorrow.
We flew to Ivdel, he was connected by radio to a group in the woods, something 500-700 meters from them on the slope flashed something like a tent.
Order: "Do not touch it!"
The next day we flew again in the morning.
– Who flew with you?
– Colonel Ortyukov, some investigator and their comrade from the leadership, probably the prosecutor.
– The investigator and the prosecutor were about what age?
Young?
– I was 25 years old.
They were under 40 years old.
Like Ortyukov, 35-40 years old.
We flew in, landed, went along the mountain and saw the tent.
From the tent down went a steep descent.
The soldiers told Ortyukov that three bodies had been found there.
The bodies lay apart at some distance.
The first body lay 250 meters from the tent.
The investigator and the prosecutor went to investigate, they walked for 3-4 hours.
waited for the bodies to be found.
– You yourself helped carry the body from the slope to the helicopter?
– Not.
I waited for the bodies to be brought and only helped to load these bodies into the helicopter.
– Did you see students on the slope?
– Not.
I did not see any students at all.
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In this photo from V. Potyazhenko's album, we can see search members, it is not clear if they are students.
Although we can't figure out yet who the people on the photo are, we had to publish it.
– Was there a girl among these bodies?
– I do not remember.
They were stripped and undressed.
– Stripped to the naked body?
– I do not remember.
Without shoes and without outerwear.
– How they put the bodies in a helicopter, on a fir tree btanches, on a tarpaulin.
Covered with sheet?
– No, just put the body without anything on the floor, on top of each other.
The cold was under 50.
The bodies rang like glass.
– How many bodies did you personally transport?
– All of them.
All 9 bodies.
They find them, order me to fly.
I fly and take the body.
How many times do not remember.
– You brought a group of students to the slope?
– No, I only brought supplies, took away bodies.
– Did you bring woman expert on the slope?
– No.
I did not bring women and did not see any there.
Once brought my future spouse illegally on the pass, to see.
She worked as a radio operator in Ivdel.
– This is her that the dog bit on the slope?
– Not.
In a room at the Ivdel airport.
And she did not bite, but simply grab her foot with its teeth as if the dog was gonna bite her.
Something was not of the dog's liking.
– Tent.
You said you looked into the tent.
How?
Through the entrance, through the incision?
– Through the cut.
It was almost all open.
Like a torn rag.
I raised a cut and looked.
– What did you see in the tent?
– There was no order in the tent.
They were changing their clothes in the corners.
One could see things in groups, frozen pieces of bread lay around, it seems there was a can of meat.
At the entrance I saw a piece of paper.
Named Combat Leaflet.
I was surprised, just like in the army - a combat sheet.
– How was it located in the tent, attached to a wall or lying around?
– I do not remember exactly.
It seems to me that he was somehow attached to the wall of the tent.
Wetted whether with tea, or saliva - and frozen.
– Were there drawings in this combat sheet?
What was written there?
Tell in detail about this leaflet.
– There were no drawings.
I did not read what was in it.
I remembered that it was written "Tasks for tomorrow."
They wrote with pencil.
It was obvious that they wrote in field conditions.
Pencil in some places broke through the paper.
The handwriting was so uneven.
As if written on a knee.
– Did you see lamp in the tent?
– Not.
I told reporters that I remember a flashlight with a light bulb.
– Why did you say that the tent was like a swallow's nest?
– I didn't say that.
This is how the military told Ortyukov when they went after his message on the radio and found a tent.
It was stuck to the mountain, like a swallow's nest.
Then I heard the words of one specialist on the slope that the tent was set up incorrectly, that this is not how you pitch a tent.
– Did you see a stove in the tent?
– No, I didn't.

– Did you see any cut stick in the tent?
– Stick?
No, I didn't.
I don't remember.

– Has it been trampled around the tent?
– No, it was not.
There were no footprints near the tent and from the tent.
We saw the tracks below the tent, they went down and were interrupted.
Because of the terrain.
There is such a terrain - 5 meters of snow, then bare rocks, then snow, then again stones, then snow again.

– Were the items been crumpled?
Covered with snow?
Were there boots in the tent or at the tent?
Did any belongings lay around the tent?
– There were no items in the tent.
Everything in the tent was covered with snow.
Now I wondered if there was snow in the tent...
It must have been, but I did not see it...
I don't remember.
Ski poles protruded from the snow by about 8 cm. (note: here V.V. said something about the sun, and the wind, and the holes at the tent, but I didn't catch it, didn't understand and did not write it down specifically)

– Did you eavesdrop what were the investigator and the prosecutor talking about?
– No, all the conversations were secret from everyone.
They went and looked.
Negotiated with each other, they talked a lot about something among themselves.
The investigator observed all the tracks.
– The first versions were about murder.
Didn't they talk about it?
– Yes, at first they talked about murder that the convicts escaped and killed them.
Then about Mansi.
But Mansi were so downtrodden.
It was painful to look at them.
Miserable.
You can tell man from woman.
Poor.
– Did you see any chum on the slope?
– Not.
There were no chums there.
There was nothing at all, deaf taiga and mountains.
– One comrade told that the pilots changed alcohol for furs and gold, did you see this?
– I do not know, I have not seen this. In general, I flew alone and did not see other helicopters.
At the airfield in Ivdel, two people were important to me - dispatcher Ponomarev or Pankratov, I don’t remember already.
And the chief meteorological service.
Didn't speak to anybody else.
Well, to Ortyukov of course.
– Did Ortyukov live in the camp?
– No.
He flew with me all the time.
Flew in and out.
He stayed in the city.
– What was your route?
Where did they stop?
Did you touch down in Vizhay?
– No.
I flew from Aramil to Ivdel at all time - and to the slope.
He landed next to the rock remnant.
– Did you see in Ivdel civil aviation?
– No.
I saw there MI-1, their airfield was small.
– How many helicopters did you have?
– Three.
I flew on different, for about ten days.
I flew on one from Ivdel to Aramil for maintenance work, and returned on another.
Crew of 3 people.
– What kind of helicopter came from Kaunas?
– It was at the beginning, they thought that I won't cope alone.
Therefore, an additional helicopter was sent from Lithuania.
But the pilot looked at the slope and said I can't fly there.
Fly home, then.
I couldn't make him.
– You flew to visit Kurikov?
– Yes.
Together with Ortyukov.
The Soviet government built Stepan Kurikov a two-story house.
He arranged receptions there.
And in the courtyard he had a real chum.
– Did you see deer on the slope?
– What are you talking about.
There was nothing around.
The slope was like that, you walk 5 meters - snow, then bare rocks, this is how strong the wind was, then snow again...
There were many deer in Suevat Paul.
– Have you known journalist G.K. Grigoriev?
– Not.
I did not know him.
– Did you know such pilots as Karpushin and Patrushev?
– I heard about them only on TV.
My wife worked as a radio operator in Ivdel at the airfield, she sometimes heard the name of Patrushev on radio communications.
– What did you mean when you said "broken branches of fir trees, scattered sticks"?
– I saw the remains of a campfire in the woods, this is what I was talking about.
– Do you know the name of Maslennikov?
– No, I have not heard of him
– On the photo (which was shown to Olga Zavadskaya), there is a man with a holster...
– I did not fly with a weapon.
Although they gave us weapons, we did not wear them.
After the search was over we brought it and handed back in Sverdlovsk.
– Victor Vasilyevich, what was not right in that very first article about you in the local newspaper?
How did they find you?
– The title needs to be fixed.
I did not find the bodies and did not see them on the ground.
Also, I did not say anything about aliens.
I just told what a military man told me (about a luminous "donut") and told something that happened to me.
About the figures.
I do not associate the cause of the death of the students with aliens.
And at that time we did not know such a word
. They did not even think about UFOs.
This started later, all the talk about UFOs.
– Did you see any traces of an explosion on the ground when you flew in that area?

– No.
I haven't seen anything like that.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 03 sierpień 2019 - 19:27

So, what (or who) killed them?

 

RT walks through final steps of doomed Dyatlov Pass hikers (VIDEO)

 

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Mystery of the fireballs
L. Ivanov, newspaper "Leninskiy Put", Kustanay, 22 and 24 November 1990
We are beginning to get used to the fact that some newspapers, in the pursuit of sensation, often publish unverified, or even completely inaccurate information.
I was interested in the publication in the Leninsky Put about UFOs according to the American press (Leninskiy Put №210 from October 30, 1990).
It was precisely the reliability that interested me, since they rightly write that the official authorities often ignore the obvious facts of the appearance of UFOs.
This is true.
And I would like to tell you how this is done here.
Thirty years ago, I myself had to officially deal with this problem, with the only difference that and in my case there were very tragic circumstances.
Everything that I will tell you is confirmed by official documents stored today in a criminal case in the State Archives of the Sverdlovsk Region.
For this reason, I will not change either the names of the characters or the dates of the incident.
There will be no copyright speculation in my information, it was an absolutely documentary fact published thirty years later at the initiative of the editorial board of the Sverdlovsk newspaper "Uralskiy Rabochiy" in 1990.
One afternoon, in April this year, a telephone rang in my apartment.
My interlocutor at the other end of the line, a correspondent for the newspaper Uralsky Rabochiy - Bogomolov, asked for permission to fly from Sverdlovsk to clarify the details of a delicate matter.
I agreed.
And so we sat in my apartment until midnight, and I answered questions about the affairs of long gone days.
What interested the public of Sverdlovsk?
The Ural Polytechnic Institute has a tourclub named after Igor Dyatlov, who died in an expedition with a group of UPI students, and in Sverdlovsk at Mihailovsky cemetery, there is a monument to nine students of UPI who died in one of the expeditions to the Polar Urals in 1959.
But no one knew the reason for the death of such a large group of hikers, because the dead were buried in closed coffins and there was no information on this case.
Thirty years have passed since then. But students are persistent people, they continued to search.
It turned out that Perestroika also touched the special vaults, or simply put: in the vaults from top secret archives the clasified stamp was removed, including one criminal case that was investigated in 1959.
Students - members of the club got acquainted with the materials of this case and with the secret packages stored in the case, and were extremely perplexed, because the official version of the death of a group of tourists announced then had nothing to do with the data that they found in a declassified criminal case.
Students began to look for people who knew anything about this incident, but could not find a single one.
And then they correctly decided that it was necessary to look for a prosecutor or investigator who was investigating this case.
In his book "Confession on a given topic", B. N. Yeltsin writes that even after graduating from the institute in 1956 he often went on hiking trips with his comrades.
At that time, about which Boris Nikolaevich writes, difficult trips to the Subpolar Urals, or as they were classified, of the highest (third) category of difficulty, were a favorite form of youth entertainment - they brought up courage, valor, a sense of friendship, up to self-sacrifice.
That was exactly the case.
At the end of January 1959, a group of hikers skiers from among the students and graduates of the UPI (two girls and seven men) went on a hike declared as a hike of category 3 difficulty in order to traverse the peaks (to go along them) of the Polar Urals with ascend to Mount Otorten , which is located north of Ivdel, in the upper sources of Auspiya river, a tributary of Lozva.
In conditions of very complicated meteorological conditions (blizzard, severe frost), skiers were late with climbing the mountain, but nevertheless, despite adverse weather and dying daylight, they decided to end the ascent, pitch a tent and spend the night at the slope, and in the morning to continue to the summit.
When the tent was pitched and the hikers went in for the night, some force threw them all barely clad out of the tent and scattered around the valley.
All hikers died.
With the help of sappers and student volunteers, with the assistance of Ural Air Force aviation, from February to May they searched for the dead.
They were found at different times in a radius of one and a half kilometers from the place of their last campsite, transported to Sverdlovsk and buried here.
That's all that was known to relatives and the public of Sverdlovsk.
Everyone was told that hikers were in an extreme situation and froze.
However, that was not true.
The true causes of the deaths were hidden from the people, and only a few knew these reasons: the former first secretary of the regional committee A. P. Kirilenko, the second secretary of the regional committee A. F. Eshtokin, the regional prosecutor N. I. Klimov and the author of these lines, who were investigating the case.
Today, neither Kirilenko, nor Eshtokn, nor Klimov are alive.
Events developed as follows.
On January 31, 1959, a group of hikers led by experienced leader Igor Dyatlov, having set up labaz (cache - ed. note) for food supplies in the valley of Auspiya river, began climbing to the top of Otorten.
According to the route schedule, Dyatlov should have arrived at a checkpoint in the village of Vizhay on February 12 and send a telegram to the Sverdlovsk Sports Committee about the end of the trip.
But the group didn't show up ate the expected deadline in Vizhay.
There was a tenth hiker that returned in Vizhay from the trek earlier due to illness, and he was the one who set off the alarm. *
* Yudin didn't raise any alarm, Blinov did. Organization of the Search (case files p. 36)
The Executive Committee of the Regional Council immediately created a rescue group with the participation of sapper soldiers and aviation, as well as volunteer hikers.
The general leadership was led by the master of sports in hiking, E. P. Maslennikov, and the investigation was entrusted to me.
We flew by air to Ivdel, and from there by military helicopters to the taiga.
We were provided with experienced rangers of the forced labor camp (Ivdellag) and Mansi hunters.
As a criminal prosecutor, I had to join the investigation or lead the investigation in the most complex cases.
Apparently, this circumstance, as well as the past front-line service in the airborne troops, played the main role.
So I ended up in an impenetrable Ural taiga in a tarpaulin tent in the most severe winter time from February to May.
I do not set as my goal to talk about how the search went, how the investigation went.
All this is extremely interesting and instructive, but the newspaper area is not unlimited.
To some extent, of course, with great speculation and fiction, this is described in the book of the participant of our expedition Boris Yarovoy, "The Highest Degree of Difficulty," which was published 20 years ago in Sverdlovsk.
I just want, as promised at the beginning of the article, to talk about mysterious phenomena that occasionally appear on planet Earth and which no one can still explain.
When we landed in the taiga, and then went skiing to Mt Otorten, we literally found and dug up the hikers tent covered with snow at the very top.
Inspection of the tent showed that the outer clothing of the hikers - jackets and trousers - remained intact inside; as well as backpacks with all their belongings.
It is known that hikers, even in winter, set for a night in a tent, take off their outer clothing.
Incidentally, we did this in our tent, although the temperature in it never rose above minus four degrees.
The presence of all clothes and literally all belongings in the tent, including diaries, cameras, products, indicated that people left the tent suddenly.
Later, I established that the two long cuts on the tent through which people flee were made with a knife from the inside.
There was not a single drop of blood in or near the tent, which indicated that all the hikers left the tent without bodily harm.
The latter circumstance will be very important in the future.
From the tent, from the mountain to the valley, sometimes there were eight, sometimes nine tracks of footprints.
In mountains with supercooled snow, traces are not visible, but rather look like columns, since the footprints are compacted under the snow, and are blown around the track.
The presence of nine sets of footprints confirmed that all the hikers walked on their own, nobody carried anyone.
But then a mystery happened.
One and a half kilometers from the tent, in the river valley, near the old cedar, the hikers after fleeing from the tent, made a fire and here they began to die one by one.
Based on the developed films shot by the hikers before the night, taking into account the density of negatives, the sensitivity of the film (since the containers were preserved), the aperture settings and shutter speed on the cameras, I managed to "tie" the frames with the time of shooting and get more information, but this did not answer the main question: what was the reason for the flight of the hikers from the tent.
When investigating cases, no detail is small: investigators have the motto: attention to little things!
Near the tent, a natural trace was discovered that one man went out to relief himslef.
He came out barefoot, in woolen socks only ("for a moment").
Then this trace of shoeless feet is traced down into the valley.
There was every reason to build the version that it was this person who raised the alarm and he himself did not have time to put on shoes.
So, there was some terrible force that not only frightened him, but all the others, forcing them to leave the tent in emergency and seek refuge below, in the taiga.
To find this force or at least get closer to it was the task of my investigation.
February 26, 1959 below, at the edge of the taiga, we found the remains of a small fire and here we found the bodies of the hikers Doroshenko and Krivonischenko naked to underwear.
Then, in the direction of the tent, the body of Igor Dyatlov was discovered, not far from him two more - Slobodin and Kolmogorova.
Without detailing, I will say that the last three were the most physically strong and strong-willed personalities, they crawled from the campfire to the tent for clothes - this was quite obvious from their positions.
A subsequent autopsy showed that these three courageous people died from hypothermia - they froze, although they were better dressed than the others.
Already in May, near where was the fire, under a five-meter layer of snow, we found the dead Dubinina, Zolotaryov, Thibeaux-Brignolle and Kolevatov.
On external examination of their bodies there were no injuries.
The sensation came later when in the Sverdlovsk morgue, we performed an autopsy of these corpses.
Dubinina, Thibeaux-Brignolle and Zolotaryov had extensive, completely incompatible with life physical injuries.
For Lyuda Dubinina, for example, 2, 3, 4, 5 ribs were broken on the right and 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 on the left.
One fragment of the rib even penetrated the heart.
On Zolotaryov 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ribs were broken.
And all this without visible external injuries.
Such damage usually happens when a person is struck with a large force, for example, by car at high speed.
But such damage cannot be obtained from falling from a height of one's own body.
In the vicinity of Mt Otorten and the surrounding area there were boulders and stones of various configurations covered with snow, but they were not in the way of the hikers (remember there were footprints), and of course these stones were not thrown at the hikers.
There were no external bruises.
Consequently, there was a directed force that selectively acted on individuals, excluding others.
True, there were some circumstances about which I want to say.
When already in May we examined the scene of the incident with E. Maslennikov * * we found that some young trees on the forest tree line have traces of burning, but they are not in concentric shape or any other system.
There was no epicenter.
This once again confirmed a source of heat ray or completely unknown to us energy acting selectively - the snow was not melted, the trees were not damaged.
It seemed like when the hikers walked on their feet more than five hundred meters down from the mountain, someone dealt with some of them as direct targets.
* * Maslennikov came back from the pass in March. Maslennikov 2nd notebook
He was not part of the search in May as Ivanov claims.
Now there is much talk about the 50s, only to place responsibility for the past on someone.
In that period of time there was strict, I would say, unconditional discipline, especially in the work of law enforcement agencies.
There was no Beria, but his legacy was alive, and just now we are barely parting with it.
When, together with the regional prosecutor, I reported the initial data to the first secretary of the regional party committee, L. P. Kirilenko, he gave a clear command - all the work should be classified and not a single word of information should be leaked.
Kirilenko ordered the hikers to be buried in closed coffins and the relatives to be told that they died from hypothermia.
Khrushchev was informed about the event at the very beginning, and the latter, as it is known from the publication of one of the participants in the search party, the correspondent of the newspaper, spoke out against any reports on this issue, until all the hikers were found and full investigation is carried out.
And when they found the rest of the bodies and revealed such details about which I spoke above, now Kirilenko did not inform Khrushchev.
And the matter on such a high level died out by itself.
All appeals of relatives were swept under the rug.
Such was the order in the country then, and it wasn't up to us to change it.
The fact is that when the investigation was underway, a tiny note appeared in the Tagil Worker newspaper, during the period when the students were on Mt Otorten, a fireball was seen in the sky of Nizhniy Tagil, or, as they say now, an unidentified flying object.
This luminous object moved silently towards the northern peaks of the Ural Mountains.
The author of the article asked: what could it be?
For the publication of such a note, the editor of the newspaper was penalized, and I suggested that the regional committee doesn't take this topic any further.
The second secretary of the regional party committee A. F. Yestokin took control over my investigation.
At that time, we still knew very little about unidentified flying objects, we did not know about radiation either.
The ban on these topics was caused by the possibility of even accidentally deciphering information about missile and nuclear technology, the development of which at that time was really just beginning, and in the world there were times called the "Cold War".
But I couldn't just drop the investigation, I’m a professional criminalist and I have to find a clue.
I nevertheless decided, despite the ban, to continue working on this case maintaining the highest degree of secrecy, because other versions, including criminal intend, animals attacks, a fall during a hurricane, etc., were excluded by the evidence.
It was clear to me in what sequence did they die - all this from thorough study of the bodies, the clothes, other data.
All that remained was the sky and its contents - energy unknown to us, which turned out to be higher than human forces.
Having conspired with scientists of the UFAN (Ural branch of the USSR Academy of Sciences), I conducted very extensive research on clothes and individual organs of the deceased for "radiation".
And for comparison, we took clothes and internal organs of people who died in car accidents or who died a natural death.
The results were amazing.
For non-experts, the results of the analysis will not say anything, and I will only say these: the brown sweater of one of the hikers who had bodily injuries - gave 9900 decays per minute, and after washing the sample - 5200 decays, that is, these data indicate the presence of radioactive "dust" which was washed away.
I must say that before the discovery of these corpses, they were intensively washed by melting water under the snow - entire rivers flowed there.
Consequently, the radiation "dust" contamination at the time of the death of the hikers was much higher.
As a prosecutor who at that time had to deal with some secret defense issues, I rejected the version of the atomic weapon test in this zone.
It was then that I began to closely engage in "fireballs."
I interrogated many eyewitnesses of overflight, hovering and, quite simply, visits of unidentified flying objects in the Subpolar Urals.
Incidentally, UFO's i.e. unidentified flying objects are often associated with aliens.
I do not agree with this. UFOs need to be understood as unidentified flying objects, and only so.
Many data suggest that these can be clots of energy that are not understood by modern people and unexplained by modern data of science and technology, affecting animate and inanimate nature encountered in their path.
Apparently, we met with one of them.
Next I will quote from my interrogations and documents.
I said above that they are stored in the archive.
"On February 17 at 6 h. 50 m. local time in the sky appeared not unnatural phenomenon.
Moving star with a tail.
The tail looked like dense cirrus clouds.
Then the star was freed from the tail, became brighter than the stars and flew away.
It gradually began to swell, forming a large ball, enveloped in a haze.
Then inside this ball the star caught fire, from which first a crescent was formed, then a small ball formed, not so bright.
The big ball gradually began to fade, became like a blurry spot.
At 7 h. 05 m. it disappeared altogether.
A star moved from the south to the northeast."
Is it necessary to add to this that Tokareva’s observation of the sky was part of her professional duties.
And that at this time the comet region did not visit the comet.
This ball of fire was observed in the Ivdel region by serviceman A. Savkin, who was also questioned:
"On February 17, 1959, at 6:40 in the morning, while on duty on the south side, a ball of bright white light appeared that periodically enveloped in cloud white dense fog inside this cloud was a bright-luminous point the size of a star.
Moving towards the north direction the ball was visible for 8-10 minutes."
It was already a matter of technology - to find other people who, at night in the evenings in January-February 1959, were not sleeping, but were on duty out in the open.
Now it’s not a secret for anyone that Ivdel at that time it was a solid "archipelago" of camp sites forming Ivdellag, which was guarded around the clock.
The testimonies of Novikov, Avenburg, Malik were exactly the same.
The same ball was seen on March 31.
We saw a similar ball on the night of the death of the hikers, that is, from the first to the second of February, students-hikers of the Geological Faculty of the Pedagogical Institute.
Witness G. Atamanaki - saw this ball over Otorten on the night of the 1st of February.
The study of the case now fully convinces, and even then I stuck to the version of the death of student hikers from exposure to an unknown flying object.
Based on the evidence gathered, the role of UFOs in this tragedy was quite obvious.
Correspondent Bogomolov, whom I gave an interview, in his publication claims that the criminal prosecutor Ivanov at that time clearly highlighted: the cause of the deaths was an unidentified object, although he encoded it in the final document with the words "force majeure".
To the correspondent’s question, have I changed my view of the causes of death of the hikers over these thirty years, I replied that I only changed my view of the impact technique.
If earlier I believed that the ball exploded, releasing completely unknown, but radioactive energy, now I believe that the action of the energy from the ball was selective, it was aimed only at three people.
When I reported to A. F. Yeshtokin about my findings - fireballs, radioactivity, he gave a completely categorical order: to classify everything, to seal everything up, to hand it over to the special unit and forget about it.
Needless to say that all this was exactly done?
It may seem strange to the current reader: what was secret about this? But remember that just recently, before these events, the so-called radioactive "exhaust" occurred in Kyshtym.
Now, much has been said about him, even in print, but no one would dare to say something like that at that time!
But in the infection zone in the Kyshtym region, huge decontamination works were carried out, and, despite this, only a few knew about everything, and the onew that knew, were silent.
Older people may recall what it was like: just recently launched an artificial Earth satellite, it announced trials of atomic and then hydrogen weapons (as it was called then), and many associated these mysterious phenomena, including unidentified flying objects with military tests, but investigative actions indicated that the case of Dyatlov group had nothing to do with military tests.
Now that everyone knows everything about the testing ranges and methods of testing nuclear weapons, our version of the deaths that arose at that time has received even more confirmation.
So that the current generation does not judge us very strictly for our work, I’ll say that even today, when eyewitnesses are still alive, they don’t tell the whole truth.
I recently read in the central press that during the destruction of the reconnaissance plane Powers near Sverdlovsk, a Soviet aircraft led by pilot Safronov was also shot down.
About this writes the former battery commander, who shot down both aircraft, then Major Voronov.
But after all, about the fact that two aircraft were shot down, including ours, even then thousands of people knew.
Thousands of people saw our fighter crash into the ground near the city of Degtyarsk, not far from Pervouralsk, but for thirty years our press has not written anything about this.
Like many others, I saw how one missile went first, and then a second, how the shot down planes dispersed in different directions - one towards Sysert (Powers), the second - in the opposite direction towards Revda (our plane).
But they published about this only after so many years.
For forty years of work in the prosecutor’s office, and most of this time I was allowed to use super-secret information, I still can’t understand why people had to lie?
I do not want to justify my actions to classify events with fireballs and the death of a large group of people.
I asked the correspondent to publish my apologies to the relatives of the victims for distorting the truth, to hide the truth from them, and since there were no places for this in the four issues of the newspaper, I bring this publication to the families of the victims, especially to appologize to the relatives of Dubinina, Thibeaux-Brignolle and Zolotaryov.
At one time, I tried to do everything I could, but at the time, as the lawyers say, there was an "irresistible force" in the country, it became possible to defeat it only now.
And again about the fireballs.
They were and still are. It is only necessary not to hush up their appearance, but to deeply understand their nature.
The vast majority of teh witnesses that I met talk about the peaceful nature of their behavior, but, as you see, there are also tragic exceptions.
Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people.
I know all the details of this incident and I can say that only those who were in these balls know more about me than these circumstances.
And whether there were "people" there and whether they are always there - no one knows yet.
In conclusion.
What attracted young people to such dangerous expeditions?
What power drove these people?
Reading the story of B. I. Yeltsin about treks in the Northern Urals and comparing its current nature, I trace this direct connection: real people are formed in such extreme situations.
Courage, valor, strenght, will, nobility - all this is the result of a long, from a young age, formation of character, nature.
After all, when in February we came to the big cedar tree, near which the hikers tried to make a fire and carefully examined and compared everything, we were struck by the courage and stamina of the young people who fought for their lives and the lives of their comrades.
Imagine a tree trunk 50-60 cm thick.
Hikers took turns climbing this tree to break off branches for a fire (they made a fire).
On the bark of the tree there were frozen (it’s scary to even say it!) their skin of their inner thighs and scraps of underwear.
All this covered the cedar bark.
During excavations in May, we found the corpses of Lyuda Dubinina and the others.
They died first from terrible internal injuries, but they were not abandoned.
They were carried away from the fire, carefully laid.
Even the dead men themselves took care of the dead.
This is how real people behave.
We have something to take from the past, and how petty the behavior of other people now seems, who cannot even overcome ordinary difficulties.
But what about the astronauts of the fireballs?
If they exist, then sooner or later they will manifest themselves, and circumstances will bring them to our civilization.
I have no doubt about that.
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Napisano 27 sierpień 2019 - 11:42

I will be appearing on the Discovery Channel program Expedition Unknown as an expert on Dyatlov Pass, the subject of a new episode 'Mystery of Dead Mountain' premiering in the US Wednesday, August 28th at 9PM EST.

 

 

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Napisano 27 sierpień 2019 - 11:45

This season, Josh Gates connects with innovative researchers and uses cutting-edge technology to tackle history’s most challenging mysteries.

 

The search for answers – and adventure – will take him into the most extreme climates on the planet, as he braves sub-zero temperatures to snowmobile across the Siberian Tundra investigating one of the coldest cases of the Cold War: the baffling deaths of nine hikers on Russia’s infamous Dead Mountain.

 

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We have launched brand spanking new Dyatlov Pass YouTube Channel featuring Part 1 of Expedition Unknown with Josh Gates "Mystery of Dead Mountain".

 

 

Yes, that's right - there is going to be Part 2 - "Siberia's Coldest Case" set to premiere Wednesday, September 4, 9PM EST.

 

It will also be uploaded on the channel.

Many of you have sent me words of encouragement and support for what we do.

 

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Irina Rashevskaya (Doroshenko) Part 1

 

© Rashevskaya I.N., "INTERNET CENTER of Dyatlov group Tragedy", 2011 Letter from Irina Nikolaevna Rashevskaya
 
Hello, Alexander
I don't even know where to start.
The only relative of Yuri, I was left alone in this world.
A bit about our family.
Yuri was born on January 29, 1938.
My brother Volodya June 6, 1941.
Dad graduated from Kiev HMI (Hydrometeorological Institute) in 1935.
When the Second World War began, our family was sent along with the factory where my father worked in the Urals, city of Rezh.
I was born in 1945.
In 1954 our father dies from a heart attack.
In 1955 Yuri receives a certificate of maturity with a medal and enters the UPI.
Mom with me and our brother Volodya leaves for Kazakhstan to our grandmother.
Brother Volodya, after graduation, went to study at UPI.
In the winter of 1959, it was nighttime when the military men arrived and said that there was an incident with Yuri.
I was 13 years old.
I remember how my mother and aunt Marusya (my mother’s sister) flew with the men on an airplane.
Then mother brought Yuri's things.
And what was there? Not much.
We lived very poorly.
For 4 years of study, mother somehow managed to get him a coat because all he had was a jacket.
This is in the freezing Sverdlovsk.
Unthinkable.
And she sent him a coat.
And this when Yuri was no longer alive.
How did mom cried.
I remember that she was telling and showing a sweatshirt and a sweater, both ruined.
Tinted with orange powder.
It seems all the dead were orange.
My brother Volodya studied in UPI at this time.
He met with relatives of the victims and reported all the versions to my mother.
Then the relatives were told not to go there anymore.
To drop it.
No one will tell them anything.
I have in my hands Gradebook №556279 Doroshenko Yuri Nikolaevich, radio-technical faculty.
Specialty - automatic, tele-mechanical and electrical measuring instruments and devices.
He passed his last exam on January 21, 1959.
4th year.
All grades are A and B.
My brother Volodya, although he lived in Kiev (with mother, she died in 2003, from heart), kept in touch with the relatives of the dead and hikers in general.
He himself was a good hiker and died (his heart stopped) in the mountains in 2008 while ascending Mt Elbrus.
Although he was retired and worked he went with friends to the mountains every summer.
Having graduated from college and married, I remained in Kazakhstan.
I went every year to visit my family in Kiev, and we talked about Yuri, just talk.
I did not look at any documents.
Volodya was in charge of everything.
Now his wife Natasha lives in Kiev.
I sent her your letter.
And I wait for her to answer.
She and her son will search through the papers and find the answers to your questions.
I can not do anything else.
 
Irina
 
Transcript of the conversation "CENTER for Civil Investigation of the Dyatlov Tragedy", NAVIG with Irina Nikolaevna Rashevskaya (Doroshenko), IND, in the Dyatlov group case on September 28, 2011
NAVIG: Please introduce yourself.
IND: I am Irina Nikolaevna Rashevskaya.
I am the sister of Yuri Doroshenko.
I am the only relative of Yuri and I am left alone in this world.
A bit about our family.
Yuri was born on January 29, 1938.
My brother Volodya June 6, 1941.
Dad graduated from the Kiev HMI (Hydrometeorological Institute) in 1935.
When the Second World War began, our family was sent along with the factory to the Urals in the city of Rezh. I was born in 1945.
NAVIG: Irina Nikolaevna, you lived in Kiev at first?
IND: I was born there…
NAVIG: And Yuri was born in Kiev?
IND: Yuri was born in the Kursk region.
NAVIG: What city?
IND: In the Streletskiy district of the Kursk region on January 29, 1938, he studied secondary school №44 in the city of Rezh Sverdlovsk Region and completed in 1955 with a medal.
NAVIG: Well then we’ll clarify the city later...
And parents lived there too?
IND: Yes…
First lived in Kiev… then we left for the Kursk region… and here with Yuri and little brother, rode to the Urals in a carriage.
NAVIG: The city of Rezh, is it far from Sverdlovsk?
IND: The city of Rezh is not far. My brother Volodya and I arrived in 2004 at the Yuri's cemetery to visit and go to the town of Rezh.
At first we went to the cemetery, cleaned it, then got on a suburban train and drove to the city of Rezh, and then we visited the grave of my father there.
We spent the night at the station in Sverdlovsk.
My brother went to Kiev, and I went to Ust-Kamenogorsk.
We met often with him, every 5 years we went to visit.
We did not know anyone in Sverdlovsk.
Therefore, they came and the next day... off we go.
NAVIG: Tell about the investigation in 1959?
What do you know about this?
IND: In 59, I was still in... seventh grade.
Some men came at night.
They called in the middle of the night, there were three of them ...
NAVIG: Did you see them?
IND: In military uniform…
NAVIG: They introduced themselves who they are?
IND: It was night... mom opened the door for them... they came in.
Then I went out of the room: there was something...
One was in some kind of dark, or blue, uniform.
And two were very fit, lean.
In winter hats... my brother was already studying at this institute in Sverdlovsk.
NAVIG: Did you already hear about the death of the Dyatlov group or you did not know?
IND: They did not say that he was no longer alive.
They said that there has been an incident...
You have to come with us.
NAVIG: Your family did not know anything yet?
IND: No, no, nothing.
NAVIG: And when did they come... what month?
IND: It was like this - they arrived, they took mother away, with sister Aunt Marusya and immediately flew away.
And when they arrived there by plane they attended the funeral right away.
NAVIG: I.e. immediately to the funeral?
IND: Yes, right away to the funeral.
Mom said she came and he was already in the coffin.
She didn’t recognize him, and everything... everything was... his complexion... she didn’t recognize him at all.
NAVIG: From which city did they take off?
IND: From Aktyubinsk, Kazakhstan…
NAVIG: Ok, but you lived in Rezh?
IND: No.
When my father was gone, we went to live in the city of Aktyubinsk with my grandmother.
Mom was taken away by plane and sent back by plane.
They said take away what you want... but there was nothing to take.
NAVIG: And what did they bring (mom and sister)?
IND: She said something about a sweater that was ruined... where it was... and she said something about a sweatshirt...
NAVIG: Did you see the clothes personally?
IND: I don’t remember...
I just heard her talking.
NAVIG: You wrote in a letter to me that the color of things was orange?
IND: Yes, and mom said that he was everywhere... that he was all orange.
NAVIG: What were they talking with her about there?
Did they say was the cause of death was?
IND: When she arrived, they said that they froze and that’s all.
And when my brother was there (NAVIG note: in UPI)… studied for five years… and all these years when he came home in the summer my mother asked him… either bear attacked them, weapon tests failure - something exploded, then a rocket fell - a lot of talk has been in all these years.
Mom asked, well, what exactly happened there - go, find out… and my brother said... who will listen to me, a student, when parents, more respected, more competent, went, they were sent back and told not to show up anymore, everything is classified.
NAVIG: And where did they go specifically, do you know?
IND: I dont know… my brother also went hiking and wanted to go there right away (NAVIG note: to Dyatlov Pass), but they weren’t allowed to go there...
Then he graduated, he was sent to Krasnoyarsk... then he left for Kiev and mother left.
NAVIG: Did Yuri said something to the family before leaving?
IND: He only wrote letters... they came once a month, but I don’t have them... they maybe in Kiev.
NAVIG: Have your family appealed to the official authorities over the next 50 years?
IND: I don’t know anything about this.
My mom was already an elderly woman and of course did not go anywhere.
NAVIG: And your brother?
IND: He believed 100% that they were testing weapons, he had no doubts.
NAVIG: Did anything survive that returned the investigation in 59?
Did he have a camera?
IND: No, there was no camera, that's for sure.
There are definitely no белонгингс in Ust-Kamenogorsk.
NAVIG: And how do you feel about the fact that the case will be reviewed now?
IND: That would be good.
NAVIG: And you yourself what you think about the cause of their death?
IND: I think that there were tests of new weapons and something went south.
They were caught at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Namely, it is connected with military equipment.
No doubt about it.
Nothing else.
Avalanche is nonsense...
The color of their skin confirms it...
I just heard what my mother said - orange.
NAVIG: Irina Nikolaevna, thanks for the interview.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Interview with Irina R. (Doroshenko) by Maya Piskareva Part 2

 

ID - Irina Doroshenko Rashevskaya, sister of Yuri Doroshenko, a member of Dyatlov group on their tragic expedition
MP - Maya Piskareva
 
Yuri Doroshenko was born on January 29, 1938.
He was born, grew up, studied, graduated from high school, entered the Institute of Radio Engineering, became interested in ski hiking, like almost all his fellow students of those years, went on an expedition and died. On that trek, a few days before his death, he turned 21.
What do we know about him?
Almost nothing.
There are a few kind words about him and his friends from Dyatlov group, by their fellow Polytech Evgeniy Zinovyev.
Thanks to him, we know some episodes from the life of Juri.
One of them: the Eastern Sayans, on a student hike, "to the forest edge, overgrown with blueberries, in the evening, when tents were set up and a fire was made, a big brown bear suddenly arrived.
This sudden danger was announced by the heartrending cry of Yuri Doroshenko.
He himself, without hesitation, fearlessly advanced towards the beast with a geological hammer in his hands...
Yuri Doroshenko did not chase the beast for long, but returned to the camp with the appearance of a winner, a brave, courageous man who had overcome his fear".
Yuri Yudin.
The tenth.
The surviving participant of the very last trek of the Dyatlov group recalls that he started going to hikes at the same time as Yuri and they joined the Polytech’s hiking section together, "as if they were already friends", because they always went together on all those first hikes.
Yuri Blinov characterizes Doroshenko as a person with outstanding physical strength, calm and persistent, "but not always".
"He and Zina loved each other."
Yuri Doroshenko and Zina Kolmogorova, the theme is eternal.
There was love, they wanted to get married.
But something went wrong in the relationship.
Zina was tormented.
In that hike, they suddenly found themselves together.
“Such a playboy”, Zina wrote in her diary.
But at the same time, in a letter to a friend on the train, she writes at the beginning of the trip: "He is walking with one of the girls in hand.
Jealous."
"We are together and not together."
Like that...
Once I found out that Irina Rashevskaya, who is on the forum "paranormal Russia", is the sister of Yuri Doroshenko, one of the members of the Dyatlov group, who tragically died in the mountains of the Northern Urals under unexplained circumstances.
I wanted to talk to her.
I asked her for some questions.
Irina Nikolaevna kindly agreed.
But to my deep regret, the conversation did not work out. Read for yourself.
I could not find contact with Irina Nikolaevna.
I am unhappy with this interview.
But I don’t want to keep it “in the drawer”; nevertheless, there are some interesting information in it that will allow you to learn a little more about Yuri Doroshenko.
MP: Dear Irina Nikolaevna!
I have a few questions for you, as sister of Yuri Doroshenko.
They are not so much my questions as the collective work of several people investigating the tragedy.
While we are talking about somebody, we extend his life, as if giving him a new life in our hearts.
Thank you for agreeing to answer our questions!
Sorry, for Christ’s sake, some immodest questions.
I don’t want to hurt you, but it’s just necessary to clarify some points.
Therefore, I apologize in advance to you.
MP: Is it true that your mother did not recognize Juri's body?
I.e. she did not recognize him in that person whom she was shown?
ID: To this question I answered Navig.
MP: You said that at night the military came to your home and took mom and aunt with them, that mom got to the funeral right away.
I.e. she was first shown her son in a coffin, right at the funeral, and she did not recognize him.
That Yuri had an unusual complexion, "she didn’t recognize him at all!"
It may be that in the coffin was not Juri, but another person?
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Yuri Doroshenko, end of January 1959, photo from the last expedition, which ended tragically
ID: (no comment)
Note: interesting fact is that, at first the body of Yuri found under the cedar was reported in a radiogram to be that of Zolotaryov.
Although search party member student Mihail Sharavin, the first to discover the bodies by the cedar, said that he recognized Yuri Doroshenko immediately.
MP: They say that in the morgue, some girl identified Yuri.
Do you know anything about her who she was?
ID: They didn’t talk in front of me about this, I was little.
MP: Yuri suffered from epilepsy?
Or any other disease?
ID: No.
MP: How do you remember Yuri?
What was he like?
What books did I read, what kind of music did he listen to, did he have a hobby?
ID: I remember him as kind, attentive...
He and Volodya liked to "launch" rockets.
MP: Do you remember the last time you saw Yuri?
ID: No, I don't.
MP: Why did he go on that trip with Igor Dyatlov, did he explain the reason to his mother?
Did he write in a letter that he was going camping?
ID: No.
Letters came after a month.
MP: Was there any bad premonition among relatives about this expedition?
ID: Nobody told me about premonition.
MP: Did you dream about Juri?
Was he in your mom's dreams or anybody in your family?
If so, can you tell me what this dream was about?
ID: (no comment)
MP: Did you or somebody in the family - mother - know about the relationship between Zina Kolmogorova and Yuri?
ID: There were no conversations in front of me, I was then "little".
MP: Is it true that Zina and Yuri wanted to get married?
If this is not true about his relation with Zina, did Yuri have another girl?
Did Yuri say anything to mom?
Please once again excuse me for these issues, which affect the intimate sphere.
It’s just that a lot of things are thought out on the topic of relations between Zina and Juri, and the establishment of how true Zina’s diaries are will depend on your explanation.
Or if they were doctored by the "organs".
ID: Maya, I am shocked by this question!
What intimate sphere!
I haven’t read Zina’s diaries.
I have no idea.
When Yuri entered UPI, we left for Kazakhstan.
I was 10 years old.
When Yuri died, I was 13 years old.
MP: Dear Irina, excuse me for choosing the word "intimate" incorrectly.
Of course, this word has many meanings.
I meant, did you hear at home conversations that Yuri is friends with Zina, and that they were going to get married.
That is exactly what rumors are still circulating, while others say that Yuri did not pay any attention to Zina, and all this was not serious and generally a lie in diaries written by an unknown person.
But Zina's diaries say that they still had a very friendly relationship, and she was not indifferent to him.
You didn't read Zina’s diaries, but probably none of the modern researchers did.
Because the diaries that we know of are very contradictory, but in the original it is noticeable that some pages are simply erased and a new text is written on top of the old one.
Zina's sister doesn't want to submit the diaries for handwriting examination, and of course, she has the right to do so.
Once again, I apologize for involuntarily angering you.
Please forgive me!
ID: Maya, yes, we had Zina’s photo at home.
My brother Volodya said that this is Yuri's girl.
And they didn’t say more, they say, you’re still young.
If mom and brother were alive (they died in 2003 and in 2008, respectively), then they could tell a lot.
Moreover, they lived together in Kiev.
And I just came to them on vacation.
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Yuri and Zina, together forever...
MP: Did any belongings of Juri remain in your family, mementos of him, letters, photographs?
If there are any letters or photos left, will you publish them on the Internet?
ID: I have already talked about this with Navig. (I have no letters).
MP: Are you in contact with any of the relatives of the dead hikers?
Did fellow students of Yuri write to you?
ID: I answered this question Navigu. (We did not know anyone in Sverdlovsk.)
Note: A somewhat unclear moment... after all, her brother Volodya talked with the relatives of the dead hikers, and therefore, knew them.
Probably, the explanation is that the relatives of the dead students have not lived in Sverdlovsk for a long time, and Irina is not personally acquainted with them, all contacts were through her brother.
MP: Do you have any thoughts on the death of the group?
What is your version of the reasons for the tragedy?
ID: I already answered this question Navig. (These were unsuccessful tests of a new weapon.)
MP: Is it true that after death, Juri's skin color was unusual?
ID: I answered Navig (mom said that he was orange)
MP: Do you keep in touch with the Dyatlov Group Memory Fund, where the head is Yuri Kuntsevich?
Do you do your own research about the tragedy?
Do you visit forums?
What kind?
ID: I talk to Navig.
MP: Do you remember how did you celebrated Yuri’s birthday at home and what presents did you give him?
ID: No.
MP: I’m asking just in case, if you remember?
I understand that students are always tight with money, and time was poor.
When Yuri came home for the holidays, did he bring home any gifts?
ID: No.
MP: Did Yuri tell you any stories as a younger sister?
Or did he communicate more with his brother?
ID: Only with my brother.
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Yuri with sister Irina and brother Volodya
MP: Do you tell your children and grandchildren about Juri?
Are any of them interested in investigating this mystery?
ID: Watch "Classmates.
Doroshenko (Rashevskaya) 66 years Kazakhstan East Kazakhstan region.
Irina"
Note: I saw it - Irina Nikolaevna named her son Yuri after her brother.
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Irina Rashevskaya (Doroshenko) with her son Yuri
MP: Did Yuri talk about his studies at home, were there any funny stories?
Did he talk about his friends at the institute?
ID: He talked about this only with my brother.
MP: Dear Irina Nikolaevna, thank you for your attention, for taking the time to answer these questions!
 
Afterword
Irina Nikolaevna wrote a letter to Navig in 2011 and then gave him an interview on September 28, 2011. 
Unfortunately, this interview did not address in detail the very important points that Irina Rashevskaya mentioned, namely:
"Then mother brought Yuri's things.
And what was there? Not much.
We lived very poorly.
For 4 years of study, mother somehow managed to get him a coat because all he had was a jacket.
This is in the freezing Sverdlovsk.
Unthinkable.
And she sent him a coat.
And this when Yuri was no longer alive.
How did mom cried.
I remember that she was telling and showing a sweatshirt and a sweater, both ruined. Tinted with orange powder."
"My brother Volodya studied in UPI at this time.
He met with relatives of the victims and reported all the versions to my mother.
Then the relatives were told not to go there anymore.
To drop it."
(I would like to know with whom of the relatives of Dyatlov group did her brother Volodya spoke and what did they talk about, it is a pity that Navig did not ask.)
"Having graduated from college and married, I remained in Kazakhstan.
I went every year to visit my family in Kiev, and we talked about Yuri, just talk."
(I'd love to know what did they talked about, but Navig did not ask about this.)
"My brother Volodya, although he lived in Kiev (with mother, she died in 2003, from heart), kept in touch with the relatives of the dead and hikers in general...
Now his wife Natasha lives in Kiev.
I sent her your letter.
And I wait for her to answer.
She and her son will search through the papers and find the answers to your questions.
(I would like to know if her brother’s wife wrote back and if she found any documents, but alas, this we don't known.
Navig is not talking, Irina neither.)
It so happened that my dialog with Irina Nikolaevna resumed again, and she answered some important questions.
I put her answers in this interview so that they do not get lost in threads of the forums.
MP: Irina Nikolaevna, please tell me, did Yuri wear glasses?
Some photographs show that he was wearing glasses, and seemed to have large diopters.
ID: Yes, Yuri wore glasses.
And what was the diopter, I do not know, of course.
Now, if someone were to ask 4 years ago, when my brother Volodya was alive, we would have learned so much information about Juri.
Volodya lived with mother in Kiev.
And I have been in Ust-Kamenogorsk since I was 17 (I went to study in the institute).
And I went to Kiev only on vacation.
And often did not have enough time to catch up on everything.
Volodya's heart stopped while climbing Mount Elbrus.
There was no one to save him.
Volodya was three years younger than Yuri.
He went to Elbrus more than once...
But he perish in 2008.
This is the fate of my brothers.
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Yuri Doroshenko wearing glasses.
MP: This is so sad... Irina Nikolaevna, I think that the second pair of glasses, broken with diopters -4, -4.5, in a green case, found in a tent that could not be identified and were first attributed to Lyuda Dubina then to Kolya Thibeaux-Brignolle, were actually your brother’s glasses.
Why the investigation did not present them for identification to the witness for Yuri - Victor Kostrulin, I don't know, but this witness even identified Yuri's shirts, underpants and socks, although he did not live in the same dormitory.
Do you know this name?
Maybe Yuri mentioned him at home as his friend?
The glasses according to very unreliable protocols for identifying belongings were attributed to Kolya Thibeaux, who according to the testimonies of relatives and fellow students did not wear glasses at all.
But even Kolya’s relatives didn’t seem to have returned them, because there is no receipt for receiving the glasses.
ID: Maya, very sorry, but I am not aware of any of this.
MP: Irina Nikolaevna, there were some discrepancies between the recollections of the funeral of the hikers.
According to the memoirs of V.F. Bogomolov, it seems that all four were buried on the same day together, Igor, Zina, Rustem and Yuri, and the wake was in the lobby of the student dormitory №10 on Lenin Street (for some reason, he didn’t say anything about Yuri Krivonischenko).
And in the diary of Yuri Blinov a completely different picture is described: on March 9, Zina, Yuri Doroshenko and Yuri Krivonischenko were buried, and the next day, Igor and Rustem.
Judging by the few photos from the funeral at the Mihailovskoe cemetery, it can be seen that there were only two cars, each of them had one obelisk and an open coffin.
Yuri Krivonischenko, as we know, was buried in another cemetery.
I understand that it may be difficult for you to remember the painful moments of your brother’s funeral, but please try to look at these photos and try to find your relatives.
I would like to make sure that on March 9, your brother Yuri was buried with Zina.
ID: Maya, I watched in one breath!
There are so many photos that I see for the first time.
And there is a close-up where is mother with her sister (my aunt) and some girl.
This is probably Yuri’s girlfriend, or a very good friend!
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Yuri Doroshenko's aunt, his mother, and a girl friend of Yuri’s
MP: Thank you very much, dear Irina Nikolaevna!
So, it was definitely Juri and Zina.
The stranger girl next to your relatives is probably a student of UPI, and maybe, over time, someone from former UPI students will recognize her.
Perhaps this is the very girl who is rumored to have identified Yuri’s body in the morgue.
MP: Irina Nikolaevna, I ask all relatives what do you think about the installation of the Memorial Cross in the forest at the site of the death of the group?
ID: In Kiev, relatives are deeply religious.
For three years I studied at a Sunday school at Holy Trinity Monastery.
A cross at the place of death - it would be very good!
But it needs a lot of money!
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Relatives of Yuri Doroshenko follow the coffin
 
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Relatives of Yuri Doroshenko follow the coffin
 
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Relatives of Yuri Doroshenko follow the coffin
 
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