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W temacie: Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

wczoraj, 22:24

Tent 1957-1958

 

Treks in 1957 and 1958, same tent with the chimney of Dyatlov's custom made stove sticking out - photos from Dubinina's family archive.

 

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W temacie: Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

23 kwiecień 2018 - 21:21

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Questions about the tent

What was the mode of closing of the tent - buttons (пуговицы), straps?

 

Some sources say that the tent was found fastened and only two of the lower buttons were unfastened.
I can't find a document that says so.
Found an interview with Slobtsov from 6 May 2015 which doesn't make it any clearer.
In the case files it says
"From the left end of the tent there is a hole that serves as an entrance.
This hole is formed by two non-sewn halves of the fabric and from the inside is creped with a white sheet."
("С левого торца палатки имеется отверстие, служащее дверью.
Указаное отверстие образовано двумя не сшитыми половинками ткани и с внутренней стороны задрепировано белой простынью.")
Nothing more on the closing and how it was found, fastened (with what?) or not.
~ If Zolotaryov and Tibo went out to pee, saw something in the sky, Zolotaryov went back for his camera and called the rest to see the light show in the sky, that is why they were with no shoes and Tibo and Zolotrayov were wearing valenki.
But if the tent was fastened, I don't see the perpetrators going in and bother to fasten the tent unless they spend time inside and didn't want to be cold, which is far fetched.
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Dyatlov group tent mode of closing was with wooden toggles, but we don't have any clue if they were fastened or not
Answer:
The only reliable fact is that the tent had buttons, but special ones - wooden toggles (клеванты).
All other things - was the tent fastened or not etc. are just the wild guesses.
Was the tent cut on the other side?
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Alex KAN tent interpretation
Are the cuts really see through?
Where that many tears on the back of the tent that we don't see?
Is there a document about this?
Source ~ If they allegedly cut the tent to escape there is no reason to cut it on both sides, not to this extend.
 
Answer:
When inspecting the tent, it is established that on its surface there are numerous damages, especially on the right slant of the canopy forming the roof /see scheme №1/.
( “При осмотре данной палатки установлено, что на её поверхности имеются многочисленные повреждения , особенно на правом скосе полотна, образующего крышу /см.схему №1/. “)
The word especially implies that were some cuts on the other side too, just not as many.
Was the tent tampered with?
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This photo is not from 1959, just visualizing my question.
Social media postings hard to link to build theories on the "fact" that the skis under the tent were not positioned properly i.e. were the wrong side up which would testify to the doctoring of the scene.
 
Answer:
Nothing suspicious.
On the contrary - testimonies from 1959 say that all was done quite professionally.
How steep was the slope where the tent was pitched
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original photograph
Official protocol report on the Dyatlov group tent:
"Tent site is located on the North- eastern slope of mountain 1079 (Kholat Syakhl official term) meters at the mouth of river Auspiya.
Tent site is located 300 meters from the top of the mountain 1079 with a slope of 30 °..."
 
Second read on the photos
Rescuers removed hikers belongings, folded the tent and carried them down the slope for the convenience of the subsequent evacuation.
From beneath the tent they removed three pairs of skis, two of which were given to the hunters Moiseev and Mostovoy that were transporting the items and one pair was used to mark the location of Dyatlov and Kolmogorova's bodies.
On the photos we can see captured this precise moment: the tent is completely disassembled and pushed to the side, out from under the skis of the hikers are removed, rescuers are moving down the slope.
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The two people standing to the left are journalist Yuri Yarovoy and the prosecutor criminologist Lev Ivanov.
This photo is especially valuable because it allows us to measure the steepness of the slope of the mountain Kholat Syakhl right where the tent was pitched.
The original photograph is tilted to the left, but the standing straight figures of Yarovoy and Ivanov can be used as a reference points to straighten the photo and measure the slope which is only 15 degrees.
This is not more than the angle of climbing for stairs and escalators.
 

Why the group pitched their tent at this spot on the night of the incident

 

 

Theory 1
On January 31, the group arrived at the edge of a highland area and began to prepare for climbing.
In a wooded valley they cached surplus food and equipment that would be used for the trip back.
The following day (February 1), the hikers started to move through the pass.
It seems they planned to get over the pass and make camp for the next night on the opposite side, but because of worsening weather conditions–snowstorms and decreasing visibility–they lost their direction and deviated west, up towards the top of Kholat Syakhl.
When they realized their mistake, the group decided to stop and set up camp there on the slope of the mountain, rather than moving 1.5 km (0.93 mi) downhill to a forested area which would have offered some shelter from the elements.
Yudin, the lone survivor, postulated that "Dyatlov probably did not want to lose the altitude they had gained, or he decided to practice camping on the mountain slope. "
 
Theory 2
It is judged, based on the weather information available, what had been written in their journals and on information about the group's progress by Yuri Yudin, that they would have reached the slopes of Kholat Syakhl sometime in the afternoon of 1 Feb.
At that latitude and time of year sunset is 1658, so it can be reasonably assumed that they got to the point were they pitched tent 60 minutes or so before then in order to give them time to erect the tent in daylight.
Their final destination was Mount Otorten, and it was not feasible for them to have continued on at night.
We can never know precisely why Dyatlov ordered the tent pitched were he did, but I doubt it was because they were lost.
They were in fact on the correct route to Otorten.
Also, if they managed to find their way about 1,500m to the treeline in the dark and in some difficulty after leaving the tent in a panic, they why could they not find their way to the treeline in daylight, and in good order?
It must be presumed, without evidence to the contrary, that Dyatlov had intended to pitch the tent on the slopes of Kholat Syakhl.
It is of course speculation that this was to give the group an extra challenge.
Another factor is that when dawn broke, their destination, Mount Otorten, would be visible from their tent.
This, after a difficult journey, would be good for moral as they could see their destination.
This of course is speculation, but I do not believe they were lost and bumbling about.
And to re-iterate, if they were lost, why could they make it to the treeline in the dark in a panic, and not in daylight in good order.
 
 
 
 
 

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W temacie: Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

23 kwiecień 2018 - 21:09

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ACT № 199 Forensic expertise on the tent
Written on April 16, 1959.
The case of the death of student tourists from Dyatlov group.
 
April 3, 1959 from the Prosecutor's Office of Sverdlovsk region under the order of 16 / III-59. criminal prosecutor Jr. Justice Adviser Ivanova L.N. for the production of forensic examination entered the tourist tent of the Dyatlov group, found at the scene.
 
The following problems are assigned to the expertise:
  1. Is Dyatlov group tent cut?
  2. If yes, are the cuts made from inside or outside?

 

The production of this expertise was entrusted to the expert-criminalist Churkina H. E. with a higher legal education and experience as an expert in the field since 1954.
The expert has been warned on criminal liability under articles 92 and 95 of the RSFSR Criminal Code.
 
Circumstance of the case
February 1, 1959 on the slopes of Mount "1079" а group of tourists consisting of 9 people met their tragic death.
The group suddenly abandoned the tent.
The investigation has reason to believe that the tent was cut by someone.
 
Inspection and investigation
Camping tent of a group of tourists under the direction of Dyatlov, found on the scene, presented for research in a disorderly-crumpled form.
To recreate the situation close to the situation of the scene, with the help and advice of the tourist Yudin Y., the tent in question was pitched and reinforced in such a way as it is usually arranged by the hikers when camping /see example scheme №1/.
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photo №1
The tent is made of thick cotton fabric of protective color.
The total length of the tent /by the top seam/ is 4m.33 cm, the length of the side is 1 m. 14 cm, the total width is about 2 m.
The height of the tent depends on its installation.
From the left end of the tent there is a hole that serves as an entrance.
This hole is formed by two non-sewn halves of the fabric and from the inside is creped with a white sheet.
From the right end there is a small round hole sewn in the form of a sleeve and intended for ventilation.
From the side edges on the tent attached loops with twine, serving to strengthen it.
There is no twine at the end of the right skate.
The tent is worn down.
When inspecting the tent, it is established that on its surface there are numerous damages, especially on the right slant of the canopy forming the roof /see scheme №1/.
With a careful examination of these damages, it is established that some of them /and in particular conditionally marked damages №1,2,3/ have a completely different nature compared to all the other damages that are on the tent.
The edges of these three lesions have even, not elongated ends of the threads, are damaged at different angles, breaking both the weft threads and the warp threads.
All woven items /unlike jersey, leather etc./, despite a sharp difference in appearance /raw material, thickness, surface character/ always consist of 3 systems of threads - warp and weft, interwoven perpendicular to each other.
The damage resulting from tears usually follows the line of least resistance, i.e. tear either the threads of the weft, or the warp threads.
Such damage is usually very smooth and has right angles.
The cut, under any conditions, always disrupts both those and other threads at different angles randomly.
Cut only either the threads of the weft, or the warp threads is almost impossible. /see scheme №2 /.
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photo №2
As a result of the foregoing, and when examining the edges of all the damages on the tent, one can conclude that three damages /conditionally marked № 1, 2, 3 / came as a result of contact with some sharp weapon /knife/, i.e. are cuts.
Yet the rest of the damage is a tear.
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Damage # 1 is shaped in the form of a broken straight line, its total length is 32 cm.
Above it there is a small puncture of the tissue in 2 cm.
The corners of the hole are torn. /see photo №4 /.
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photo №4
Damage # 2 and 3 have a non-uniform arcuate shape.
The approximate length of these lesions is 89 cm and 42 cm. from the right edge of damage # 2 and from both edges of damage # 3 there are no cloth flaps and it is possible that they had their continuation further.
In order to determine from which side the indicated cuts were made (from the inner one - from the tent or from the outside), a thorough microscopic examination of the edges of the cuts of the adjacent tissue sections was made / zoom level from 0.6 to 56X / .
As a result of the conducted studies it was found that from the inside of the tent in the areas of the cuts close to the edges there are surface damages of the fabric in the form of minor punctures, incisions of the fabric threads and very thin scratches. /see photo № 5-13 /.
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photos №5 and 6
 
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photo №7
 
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photo №12
All scratches and punctures are rectilinear.
Scratches are observed in the surface damage of the filaments: the filaments are either cut in half / see photo № 10 /, or with them the dye is simply scratched off and not the colored parts are visible / see photo № 5, 6, 11 /.
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photo №10 and 11
At the corners of the punctures, on the inside of the tent / unlike the outer tent, there are, as it were, continuations of damage, which are expressed in the form of thin scratches. /see photo № 8, 9 /.
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The nature and shape of all these injuries indicate that they were formed from the contact of the fabric of the inner side of the tent with the blade of some weapon /knife/.
All of the above indicates that the existing incisions are made from the inside, from the tent.
 
CONCLUSION
In the camping tent of Dyatlov group on the right slant of the canopy forming the roof, three damages of approximately 32, 89, and 42 cm in length /conditionally numbered 1, 2, 3 / are made with some sharp weapon /knife/ i.e. are cuts.
All these cuts are done on the inside of the tent.
SR. RESEARCH ASSOCIATE Churkina - signature /CHURKINA/
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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22 kwiecień 2018 - 01:04

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W temacie: Tragedia na Przełęczy Diatłowa (1/2 luty 1959 r.)

21 kwiecień 2018 - 23:54

INTERVIEW WITH SOLOMONOVICH, HISTORIAN-ETHNOGRAPHER, EXPERT OF THE IVDELLAG ON 13 MAY 2008

 

 

 

 

 

© NGO "INTERNET CENTER of the Dyatlov group tragedy", 2008.

 

The text of the conversation of the "Center for Civil Investigation of the Dyatlov Pass tragedy" NAVIG, with historian-ethnographer, expert of the Ivdelag Felix Yakovlevich Solomonovich, in Ivdel on the case of Dyatlov Pass incident on 13 May 2008 by phone.

 

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Felix Yakovlevich and Polina Petrovna Solomonovich, and Petr Ruvimovich Perkin

 

NAVIG: Hello, here I've been given your phone in Ivdellag, so I can talk to you...
FY: I'm listening.
NAVIG: We are interested in the area in Ivdellag, which was managing forest development and something else there, the 41st district and the 2nd North included. And here in Ivdel there was some medical unit N-240, in my opinion, or No. 240.
FY: This institution was 240.
NAVIG: Institution? Wasn't it a medical unit?
FY: They were all under the name N-240.
NAVIG: All of them?
FY: All units. And then there were indexing, index 2, index 3, index 4 and so on.
NAVIG: It's clear, and when passing, for example, tourists of the Ivdel area, was there a mandatory registration on arrival and departure?
FY: Well, actually tourists had to register, but many were not doing it. For example, Dyatlov group perished, they went through, they were not registered anywhere.
NAVIG: That's it, my questions are just about this!
FY: That Institution has nothing to do with them.
NAVIG: The fact is that in the autopsy reports it says that they conducted an examination in this medical unit N240.
FY: You understand, now you can say anything, in fact now, well, it did not come out right now, but some time ago, this big article came out by the north-Urals comrade, his name is Yuri Yakimov.
NAVIG: Well, this friend we know from Sverdlovsk.
FY: He read a lot of material on these matters concerning everybody. And his version of the events I like best.
NAVIG: Ну нас интересуют факты. Дело в том, что в деле подписи стоят эксперта Возрожденного. Well, we are interested in the facts. The fact is that in the autopsy reports are signed by expert Vozrozhdenny.
FY: Yes, it's all nonsense. Yes, I am aware of all these many cases, because at that time I worked as the chairman of the sports committee in Ivdel.
NAVIG: Yes?
FY: Yes, at teh same time when they started looking for the students. I just came to work in the sports committee. And I knew perfectly well Korotaev, the investigator, who was in charge.
NAVIG: This is what he says, I talked to him personally.
FY: Well, I knew Volodya Korotaeva, I knew him perfectly well because we worked together in the Komsomol. But the fact is that you understand, all this is talk, nobody specifically, nobody really ...
NAVIG: I undertsand, in your opinion, where is the archive of this medical unit?
FY: I think the archive of the medical unit is in Sverdlovsk, for sure.
NAVIG: in Sverdlovsk, you think?
FY: Yes, there.
NAVIG: We want to make an official request. The fact is that, for example, here is the wife of Strauh, she worked here just in the medical unit. She says that Dyatlov group were packed and sent in special carriage to Sverdlovsk. And Korotaev says that he was personally present at ...
FY: Who said that?
NAVIG: Korotaev Vladimir Ivanovich.
FY: He is correct, the autopsy was done in Ivdel, and not even outside the zone, but the autopsy was done in the in the zone.
NAVIG: Yes, in the zone. Were you there at that time?
FY: I was not in the zone.
NAVIG: No, well, did you live in Ivdel?
FY: Of course I was in Ivdel at that time. They performed the autopsy in the zone, and only after the opening in the zone they were sent to Sverdlovsk.
NAVIG: Well, was there one group of tourists or two?
FY: There was one group that was dead.
NAVIG: Well, the fact is that Strauch's wife, and there was surgeon Prudkov, his nurse Solter, they claim ... Well, the surgeon already died, you see.
FY: Yes, the surgeon has died.
NAVIG: And she says that they did not cut them open there, but they sent them right away, and a version appeared that it was ...
FY: Ну, Коротаев присутствовал при вскрытиях при всех, он и второй следователь был Иванов еще , они присутствовали при этих вскрытиях при всех. Well, Korotaev was present at the autopsy on all, he and the second investigator Ivanov, they were present at the autopsies on all. 
NAVIG: I see. But these people don't lie, so there is a version that there were two groups.

 

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Police in Ivdel 1956

 

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FY: No, there were not two groups.
NAVIG: No?
FY: No, the searches went for one group. In Ivdel there are many employees of the Institute, the military unit was here as well. The military unit, the military personnel and the hikers of the city participated in the search but did not look for anyone except the Dyatlov group.
NAVIG: Did the organs actively participate there??
FY: The organs were very active, because they were connected, the military unit was there, there was also military unit 6602. It was involved, the rulers of the department worked there. The military unit was there, the security of the zones was 6602. This part was established in 56, three years later, this happened. Before that, there was no military unit in Ivdel.
NAVIG: There were all kinds of light balls flying, can you say anything about that?
FY: What are you saying?
NAVIG: Some glowing objects flew across the sky.
FY: I don't think so, it's not just me, you can ask anybody that lived Ivdel at that time. We had fireballs over Ivdel very often.
NAVIG: Well, it's because there were some rockets, right?
FY: Yes, we thought it was a launch. You see, what's interesting is that a ball of fire will fly by, in 2-3 days will be an announcement that in the Soviet Union a spaceship has been launched there or some kind of artificial satellite. So it's hard to say something, because we didn't really know anything. The thing is that after that, somewhere in the 90s, it means that in the 90s the head of the city, there was such a Ugarov Vitaly Evgenievich, he created a special commission to check those places, whether there are any polygons there. The commission did not confirm anything, denied everything completely. So it's difficult to say anything now. I'm going to advise you to turn to the medical unit in Sverdlovsk, now there are two medical departments, one of the GUIN, the second medical department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. You need to turn to th emedical department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Address is Repin, 4A. They can and they have to tell you where to find the materials you need. You will not find anything in Ivdel, there is no management office in Ivdel anymore. Management ended its existence in 2006.
NAVIG: Well, does the zone exist?
FY: The zone, yes, there are separate colonies, but the Office itself, which was at the Head of all these things, is not there now.
NAVIG: And this medical unit, does it still exist?
FY: No, there is no medical unit anymore, all of it, there aren't any departments, there is nothing left. There is only a polyclinic, which is subordinated directly to Sverdlovsk. It is like a rehabilitation center, it has nothing to do with prisoners.
NAVIG: Is it for civilians?
FY: It serves military personnel, superiors, and civilians, everybody. And the zone serves Sverdlovsk only, and it is serving everybody.
NAVIG: Did you know Prudkov?
FY: Yosif Davydovich, I personally knew him very well.
NAVIG: Did he tell you anything?
FY: What about? About, no ... He did not say anything, he soon left Ivdel.
NAVIG: The fact is that we turned to his son, he is now...
FY: He does not know anything, he was young then
NAVIG: No, he told us that his father did not say anything to them and then forbid them to talk about it.
FY: Yes, he could have done anything, they wouldn't have said anything to them ... The fact is that he has 2 sons, not one, two.
NAVIG: Two sons?
FY: He has two sons, son Michail, and the second son was Alexander.
NAVIG: Well, we talked to Alexander.
FY: Alexander is born in 57, what could he tell you?
NAVIG: Well, that's right, he did not say anything.
FY: But you can talk to Mikhail.
NAVIG: I see, well, we'll find him, yes.
FY: I think you will find him.
NAVIG: Yes. Well, it's clear, if there are any questions, then I'll call you back.
FY: Yes, for God's sake, don't hesitate to call me at any time, I will share what I know on the matter.
NAVIG: I remembered another thing, do you know anybody who worked there at that time?
FY: Where? In Ivdel?
NAVIG: No, just in this medical unit, if they were present at any events that might be related.
FY: Honestly, I'm not going to answer this question right now.
NAVIG: No, well, not right away. I'll call you later.
FY: You see, 49 years have already passed, it's a lot of time.
NAVIG: Well, they will be old people already.
NAVIG: I wish you success.
FY: Same to you. If anything, please call, I will help you at any time.

End of conversation.

 

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Это весь партийный аппарат г. Ивделя

  1. Ugarov E.S. - First Secretary of the CPSU CC
  2. Gubin Alexander Dimitrievich - Secretary of the Ivdel city party committee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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