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#1221 fortyck

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Napisano 10 lipiec 2020 - 20:24

ДЯТЛОВА ГОРИТ
 
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Второй день горит перевал Дятлова и наверное можно сказать с большой уверенностью, что гибель в огне горных тундр, это очередной отголосок той далекой трагедии.
 
Перевал давно превратился в одно из самых популярных, часто посещаемых мест всего Урала и вдвойне обидно, что совершенно незаслуженно.
 
Место не примечательное настолько, что даже выбрать его интересную фотографию (без траурной таблички) очень сложно и интересное только произошедшей трагедией.
 
Бизнес и туризм на крови, теперь будет еще и на углях.
 
Но все это моя личная демагогия...
 
 
#амбассадор_уральских_гор
 
 
А вот о чем точно стоит напомнить, так это о пожарной безопасности.
 
Стоит жара и лес, тундра, трава готовы вспыхнуть как порох.
 
Буквально пару дней назад гуляя по Таганаю, я обратил внимание сколько окурков валяется по нашим горам, в самых неожиданных местах.
 
Это большая проблема, НЕ БРОСАЙТЕ.
 
ЗАБИРАЙТЕ С СОБОЙ!
 
Другая проблема это костры.
 
Я давно уже не жгу костры и призываю вас друзья также отказаться от этой практики.
 
Но если вам нужен костер, вот прямо никак без него.
 
Отнеситесь к его разведения с полной серьезностью.
 
Не создавайте новых кострищ, используйте старые.
 
Следите внимательно за огнем и НЕ ОСТАВЛЯЙТЕ КОСТЕР НЕ ПОТУШЕННЫМ
Заклинаю вас!
 
Не жгите костры в красивых видовых местах и на вершинах гор.
 
Следы от огня останутся на десятилетия... и там обычно нет воды, если что то пойдет не так.
 
Ну и развлечения.
 
Не стоит использовать фальшфейеры, фейерверки, петарды в лесу ради своего развлечения.
 
Ваше минутное веселье может обернуться большой трагедией.
 
 
ПОБЕРЕГИТЕ ФАЛЬШФЕЙЕР ДЛЯ ВСТРЕЧИ С МЕДВЕДЕМ
 
 

 

ps. фото, спутниковый снимок из системы NASA FIRMS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 10 lipiec 2020 - 20:30

Dyatlov Pass: New sensational facts!
 
On Saturday, July 11, 12 pm Moscow time, Komsomolskaya Pravda editorial will hold a press conference on the Dyatlov Pass incident.
 
New unique documents and testimonies will be presented.
 
KP specifically does not identify the name of the main speaker in advance, wishing to maintain the intrigue of the upcoming event.
 
They guarantee a number of revelations will be made for the first time in the long history of the mystery of the death of nine skiers in the Northern Urals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 12 lipiec 2020 - 12:09

The mystery speaker at the press conference is Andrey Kuryakov - Head of the Prosecutor’s Office of the Sverdlovsk Region.

 

 

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This is the long awaited moment we hear the results of the preliminary investigation started in 2018.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 12 lipiec 2020 - 12:12

Kuryakov says it's an avalanche.

 

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Napisano 12 lipiec 2020 - 12:12

The long awaited results of the investigation that began in 2018 were announced today by Andrey Valentinovich Kuryakov - Head of the Prosecutor’s Office of the Sverdlovsk Region.

 

Expert opinions, test results, 3D model of the pass, in-depth study of terrain, weather, behavior, risks, military archives, books on avalanches, etc., and yet there is still the sense that something is missing, perhaps the entire big picture.

 

https://dyatlovpass....dRTys9f8S4XSxPQ

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 12 lipiec 2020 - 12:15

The results of the new investigation are repeating Shkryabach conclusion all over again.

 

My personal opinion is that Andrey Kuryakov gave a modern scientific explanation to an old wrong conclusion.

 

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Napisano 12 lipiec 2020 - 12:18

This cover is my response to the investigation.
 
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If you missed it, Andrey Kuryakov announced the results on July 11, 2020.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 12 lipiec 2020 - 12:21

This is peak 905 where Andrey Kuryakov set their geodetic instrument to confirm the spot where the tent was found.

 

They used the terrain on the background of these two photos made in 1959.

 

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Napisano 13 lipiec 2020 - 20:15

According to the Ural Forest Aviation Protection Base, the burning area is 32 ha.

 

Experts concluded that the fire was started by someone and began from the area of the Dyatlov Pass.

 

Fire spread down the slope from the hiking trail.

 

It was reported that a MI-8 helicopter and 11 specialists of the aviation fire service of the Ural Air Base are operating at the ignition site.

 

It was also noted that, despite the fact that in some places there is still snow and there are stony participants, the situation is complicated by natural conditions - low cloud cover and strong wind.

 

After the news of the fire, some media called the pass "a cursed place."
 
 
 

 

Is someone burning evidence?
 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 18 lipiec 2020 - 11:54

We can review some of the results from the Prosecutor's preliminary investigation.

 

The documents were immediately bombarded with criticism by the case researchers and experts on the Dyatlov Pass incident.

 

We start with the location of the tent, with which Kuryakov spoke very proudly at the press conference held in the Komsomolskaya Pravda editorial on July 11, 2020.

 

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Feb 28, 1959

 

 

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Mar 18, 2019
 
Photo №11
18.03.2019 2:06 pm
East slope of Kholat Syakhl
tent location №1
view to the North
Prosecutor Kuryakov signature
M.M. Malishev signature
 
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Feb 28, 1959
 
 
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Mar 18, 2019
 
Summit 905 →
 
← 4th tributary to Lozva
 
Photo №10
18.03.2019 2:06 pm
East slope of Kholat Syakhl
tent location №1
view to the East
Prosecutor Kuryakov signature
M.M. Malishev signature
 
 
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The calculated data are given in the table with accuracy of determining distances ±50 m.
 
The angle of the slope at the tent is 13.3°
 
 
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Russians vigorously disagree with the Prosecutor's results. They have been going to the pass year after year and have pin pointed the location of the tent with certainty. On the photos of the prosecutors the pole with the red flag is marked TENT. Somehow through calculations the prosecutors managed to put it at a distance of 116 m north.
 
 
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The coordinates according to the prosecutors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 18 lipiec 2020 - 12:06

Kuryakov said that according to the situational and behavioral specialists, after Krivonischenko and Doroshenko died, all of the remaining started off towards the tent.

 

Kolmogorova, Slobodin and Dyatlov backtracked their footprints while Zolotaryov, Dubinina, Kolevatov and Thibeaux-Brignolle had to break trail and didn't go very far.

 

 

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Napisano 29 lipiec 2020 - 20:09

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Bienko - the 11th member of the Dyatlov group
All rights belong to Komsomolskaya Pravda.
 
Vladislav Bienko now lives in Minsk.
At the time of this interview (June 26, 2013), he is 77 years old - the same age as Igor Dyatlov.
Vladislav Nikolaevich perfectly remembers the winter of 1959 and the members of the Dyatlov group, with whom he was supposed to go ob a trip to Mount Otorten.
When the last preparations were completed and there were three days before leaving, Bienko as a student was summoned to the Komsomol committee, where he was questioned what he had done during the last summer and winter holidays, when his comrades and fellow students helped the national economy on labor fronts - on state farms, timber industry enterprises and at construction sites in the country.
It turned out that Vladislav had spent all his holidays on mountain hikes!
Well, if so, then the Komsomol member Bienko was immediately awarded a ticket to the "Udarnik" timber industry enterprise, and no higher school administration could help him escape this fate.
- Even our head of the department, Professor Pal Zakharych Petukhov, could not help me, - recalls Vladislav Bienko, - with whom I had very good relations. I had to give my share of equipment and food to Semyon Zolotaryov, who replaced me, an instructor at the Kourovka tour base.
And when the time came for the group to leave for the North, all I could do was help my comrades load heavy backpacks on the train.
– It turns out that Semyon Zolotarev took your place in the group?
– Yes, because my place vacated.
– Maybe the Komsomol specifically sent you to the timber industry camp in order to make room for Zolotaryov?
– No I do not think so. In those days, everything was much more honest.
The Regional Party Committee was pulling all the strings
– They say that Zolotaryov was a stranger to the Dyatlov group?
– Not true.
Everyone immediately fell in love with Zolotaryov.
He was a sociable and cheerful guy. Easily connected with anyone.
He knew a lot of hiking and camp songs.
He easily fit into the Dyatlov group.
He especially made friends with Nikolay Thibault.
They were inseparable. So, if it were not for that Komsomol obligation, then I would have gone with the guys to Otorten...
I didn't manage to work for a long time at the timber industry enterprise - I was summoned urgently to Sverdlovsk with a telegram from UPI.
When I arrived, I found out that the Dyatlov group did not make the deadline, they should have already ran out of food.
We need to look for them immediately, and no one knows the exact route of the expedition except me. I must say, all my life I was distinguished by punctuality and meticulousness.
I knew the route by heart. So, following my tips, the rescuers set off.
They didn’t take me to any of the rescue groups, considering that I could be more useful at the search headquarters.
I became an eyewitness to such a rapid organization of large-scale searches that now it seems unreal.
And the secret of such efficiency was that, bypassing all departmental barriers, the Regional Party Committee called the District Committees, and they called the Party Committees of the necessary organizations.
Help, both civilian and military, was provided immediately.
This included vehicles, planes, helicopters, and special units.
At the request of the Regional Party Committee, the military first dropped off at the search area a group led by Captain Chernyshev, and then K9 units, cadets of the Ivdellag school of sergeants, and sappers.
A few days later - on February 26 - students Slobtsov and Sharavin found an abandoned tent on the slope of Mount Kholat Syakhl.
On the morning of February 27, the same sharp-eyed Sharavin found the first bodies - Yuri Doroshenko and Yuri Krivonischenko, half-naked near the remains of a fire under a cedar, with charred fingers and toes.
On the same day, the dog of the Mansi guides found Dyatlov and Kolmogorova, and on March 4 - Slobodin, also half-naked and frozen in poses of movement towards the abandoned tent.
A student was entrusted with developing a film of the Dyatlov group
– It is known that you personally worked with investigator Ivanov.
– The criminal prosecutor Lev Nikitich Ivanov was young, smart and honest. As soon as the first news of the tragedy with the Dyatlov group arrived, he included me in his work.
From the scene of the tragedy, Ivanov sent me by plane to Sverdlovsk the very first film found in Yuri Krivonischenko's camera.
It had to be done urgently, and I developed it overnight in my apartment and printed photographs of the last day of the group - from the morning fun gatherings to the evening setting up the tent in stormy conditions.
True, I was a little hasty, washed the paper poorly, and now the photographs have turned yellow.
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Krivonischenko film №2 frame 27 from Bienko's archive
– Amazing!
Why Ivanov entrusted the development of the film to you, a student, and not to forensic specialists?
– I do not know.
He probably trusted me.
And secondly, perhaps he was in a hurry to see what was in the photographs?
It is possible that because it was the weekend, their departmental darkroom did not work.
Ivanov also entrusted me to deal with some newspaper articles about UFOs before his flight to the scene of the tragedy.
Such messages appeared in other newspapers in the northern districts of the Sverdlovsk region, including the large newspaper Tagilskiy Rabochiy.
Later, when Ivanov returned to Sverdlovsk, he additionally asked the police and meteorological services to explain the UFO situations that had been observed in the period close to February 1, 1959, that is, to the date of the group's death.
But no one could explain anything. Ivanov even wrote to the USSR Ministry of Defense asking if there were any bright flying objects, resembling what the eyewitnesses saw, e.g., military or space rockets, or some other aircraft?
He sent a request and did not expect an answer.
But the answer came quickly, literally in a couple of weeks. Ivanov was very surprised.
It stated that no launches were made either in this area or to this area.
It is possible that this was so, because witnesses say that they saw bright balls above the horizon, which means that if the rocket flew by, then it flew far from the site of the tragedy.
If it were in the region of the Northern Ural, then the phenomena would be visible at the zenith.
Ivanov interrogated the Mansi if they have seen anything unusual.
He collected all the information that he could find.
He tried to find the reason of it all.
He was sure to the very end that the hikers left the tent voluntarily and of sound health, except for their mind.
He meant that they were physically healthy, but they were not completely there in the head.
What caused the insanity was a mystery to Ivanov.
Apparently, it was only in the forest that they regained the ability to reason.
They tried to return to the tent, but it was too late - the wind and cold killed them.
– What did Ivanov believe happened?
– When Ivanov returned from the scene of the tragedy, he told me that if he were superstitious, he would have believed in the devil.
What happened to the guys couldn't have happened due to natural causes.
The slope where the tent stood cannot be called steep.
Only an overactive imagination can see an avalanche descending there.
Moreover, there are no signs of an avalanche on the tent - all the mountings are in place, the tent has not moved a single centimeter.
The avalanche version as completely ridiculous was not considered at all until May 4, 1959, when the bodies of Dubinina, Thibault and Zolotaryov were found.
These bodies inside were as if crushed by a powerful Uralmash press.
The rest of the guys froze either in the forest or on the way back to the tent.
The medical examination of the first five bodies was very thorough.
They didn't have any violent injuries.
But these three hikers found in May have almost no ribs left unbroken.
Dubinina's heart is pierced, Thibeaux-Brignolle's skull is broken.
Ivanov returned from the location where the last four bodies were found a different man, I couldn't recognize him.
From an energetic, agile and sociable, he turned into a depressed and indifferent person.
He seemed aged with decades.
When I asked him what is going on, he only said: "You know, Slava, it seems to me that there were two applications of a natural force unknown to us: one - psychical, which drove healthy guys out of the tent, and the second - physical, that injured and killed three people who left the main group."
– Maybe Ivanov learned something that was a state secret?
– I don't know.
The bark peeled off the trees
– What do you think about this tragedy?
– I think they divided into three groups, with three people in each.
The first three - Dyatlov, Slobodin and Kolmogorova - went back to the tent and froze on the way.
The second group - Doroshenko, Krivonischenko and Kolevatov made a fire under a cedar.
The third group - Zolotarev, Thibault and Dubinina went into the ravine to do the flooring.
There, the third group was attacked by something.
Kolevatov heard the cries and came to them from the cedar.
Maybe he tried to help them?
He froze clinging to Zolotaryov's back.
– What could have injured those three?
– In 1964, my family and I moved to Minsk, where my wife began to teach English to officers upgrading their qualifications at the Minsk Higher Radio Engineering School of the Ministry of Defense.
And once during a free conversation with the officers, she mentioned this tragedy in the Northern Ural.
The officers told her that they had heard about tests in this area of acoustic low-frequency psychic weapons.
Maybe all this is nonsense, or maybe not.
But it is interesting - also in those days other military men who guarded the convicts in the logging areas of the Northern Ural said, that allegedly after the winter of 1959 in many forest areas the bark peeled off on the trees.
If this is true, why did it peel off?
Maybe, in fact, under the influence of some acoustic tests?
 
V. N. Bienko recollections (June 2013)
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It all started with a carousel
Life asked: "Where to get off?"
I told her: "Anywhere.
Wait, no. I'll go North!"
Life said: "Go, the pull is strong.
But don't make a mistake,
When you get to know the North,
It will seem to you so different".
 
I did not have luck with my own cherished route through the Subpolar Ural, and in early January 1959 I asked to join I. Dyatlov's group, leaving for the Northern Ural, and I was accepted.
My fellow classmates joined other groups.
Victor Plyshevskiy joined the group of Sergey Sogrin, leaving for the Subpolar Ural.
His mountaineering training, obtained in the "Ullu-Tau" alpine camp in the Elbrus region, and experience in working on rocks, snow and ice, came in handy.
Oleg Grebennik also received the "USSR Mountaineer" badge there.
The doctor did not allow me to climb the summit, considering my pulse too fast after running around the clinic.
For the sake of fairness, it should be said that a little later, having passed a strict medical examination, of the entire academic group, only O. Grebennik and I were allowed to fly on the Il-28 jet attack aircraft.
But the destruction of domestic military aviation by N. Khrushchev was so rapid that we managed to fly only on the Li-2 in 1959 in the Far East and in 1960 in Ukraine on the Tu-4 (the American "flying fortress" B-29, which dropped the first nuclear bombs on Japan).
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I remember our preparation for the expedition in January 1959 as a continuous fussing over equipment, food, containers and weights small and big issues.
The room was covered with supplies and filled with serious voices.
Then the door opened and in the frame appeared familiar protruding ears, behind them the mandolin and finally Yuri Krivonischenko himself.
Cheerful cords sounded right from the doorway.
And the work became more fun, and life seemed truly beautiful and amazing.
And then, just a few days before leaving for the North, I was urgently summoned to the Komsomol Committee and sternly asked what I did during the last winter and summer holidays, when other students, as much as they could, helped the national economy in the timber industry, on construction sites and collective farms.
Have you been to a mountain camp? Hiking to Konzhakovskiy Kamen?
Trekking in the Tien Shan?
Now you have to work off your labor debt to the timber industry enterprise!
Even our head of the department, Doctor of Technical Sciences, could not help me.
Professor Tal Zakharych Petukhov, whom I helped a lot in responding with deeds to the virgin land raising company - to develop a hay pick-up that forms hay balls without the use of scarce knitting wire.
I must say that Tal Zakharych was a legendary person, for example with the advance on his salary he bought himself a "Moskwitch".
Since this is not really a top of the line car to his bewildered colleagues, he replied that he wanted to learn to drive on it, and with his salary he is going to buy a "Pobeda".
So, even Tal Zakharych could not help me with anything.
I had to give my share of equipment and food to Semyon Zolotaryov, who replaced me, an instructor of the Kourovka basecamp, a cheerful guy who knew many hiking and camp songs and easily fit into the friendly Dyatlov group.
And now the time has come for the group to leave for the North.
I helped to load their heavy backpacks into the carriage and was the last person to see the guys in Sverdlovsk alive.
I didn't work for long at the timber industry enterprise - a telegram came calling me to Sverdlovsk.
At UPI I learned that the group of I. Dyatlov did not get in touch within the deadline, they should have run out of food.
They needed an urgent rescue operation, and no one knows the exact route of the trip, except me.
On the detailed map, obtained by the military department of the UPI at the headquarters of the district, they marked the planned route of the group and began to transfer the rescuers by helicopters to the nodal points of the route: in the beginning, the town of Pumsalnel (B. Slobtsov); the first third, Otorten (captain Chernyshov and M. Akselrod); the second third, Oyka Chakur (O. Grebennik).
They didn’t let me go to any of the rescue bases, believing that I could be more useful at the search headquarters.
I became an eyewitness to a very expedient, taking couple of days, organization of large-scale search that now it seems unreal.
And the secret of such efficiency was that, bypassing departmental barriers, in case of emergency, the Regional Party Committee called the District Committee, and the latter called the Party Committee of the necessary organization.
The resources, both civilian and military, needed to save people is urgently provided by the organization.
The military has always one step faster,
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automobiles, planes, helicopters, and special units.
All the mountains, valleys, and rivers along the planned route of the group of I. Dyatlov were carefully examined from the air.
At the request of the Regional Party Committee, the military first dropped off at the search area a group led by Captain Chernyshev, and then K9 units, cadets of the Ivdellag school of sergeants, and sappers.
The weather was favorable for the search, and their scale and swiftness immediately yielded results: the Mansi found traces of the supposed overnight stay of the Dyatlov group.
On February 22, rescue groups were just formed at UPI, and on February 24, the Slobtsov group, dropped off by aviation in the area of the beginning of the route, was informed about the find with a canister from an aircraft.
Having decided on the search area, the rescuers went on the trail of the missing group and on February 26 B. Slobtsov and M. Sharavin found on the gentle slope of Mount Kholat Syakhl a tent half-covered with snow with untouched food, equipment and personal belongings of the Dyatlov group, including warm clothes and shoes.
From the tent, which had been cut with a knife, well-preserved tracks mostly barefoot led towards the forest.
The radio operator from a group of geologists who came with two Mansi hunters reported to Ivdel in the evening about a terrible find.
It became clear that the group had died. Military and civilian search parties began to move to the scene of the tragedy.
Meanwhile, the next morning on February 27, the same sharp-eyed Sharavin discovered the first bodies of Y. Krivonischenko and Y. Doroshenko, half-naked, with charred fingers and toes near the remains of a fire under a cedar.
On the same day the dog of the Mansi guides found I. Dyatlov and Z. Kolmogorova, and on March 4 - R. Slobodin, also half-naked and frozen, in poses of movement towards the abandoned tent.
On February 28, a radiogram about the discovery went to Sverdlovsk, where on the same day an emergency search commission of the Sverdlovsk Regional Committee of the CPSU was created, which decided to continue intensive search work until they are all found.
The criminal prosecutor Lev Nikitich Ivanov, appointed to conduct the investigation in this complex case, was an extraordinary person - still relatively young, energetic, intelligent and honest.
As soon as the first news of the tragedy with the Dyatlov group arrived, he included me in his work, instructing me, before his flight to the scene of the tragedy, to deal with some newspaper publications about UFOs that change brightness, color and shape.
There were quite a few such reports, mainly in regional newspapers in the northern part of the Sverdlovsk region, including in the large newspaper "Tagilskiy Rabochiy" (Tagil worker).
Later, when L. N. Ivanov returned from the scene of the tragedy to Sverdlovsk, he additionally requested information from the police department and the meteorological service.
The picture of celestial events close to February 1, 1959 was carefully studied using all possible sources of information.
Yes, unusual phenomena in this region of the Northern Ural were observed before and after February 1, 1959 (but not February 1), usually in the morning, and did not cause anything but curiosity.
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From the scene of the tragedy, Ivanov sent me by plane to Sverdlovsk the very first film found in Yuri Krivonischenko's camera.
To speed things up, I developed it at night in the bathroom of my apartment on Sverdlov St. and printed the photographs from from it of the last day of the group - from the morning fun gatherings to the evening setting up the tent in stormy conditions.
Later from the Kolmogorova's diary, we learned that this last evening in the tent was fun and after dinner ended with the release of a humorous newspaper "Evening Otorten" - after the name of the peak they were going to summit on the next day, despite its name, which translated from Mansi means "don't go".
When Ivanov returned from the scene of the tragedy, he told me that if he were superstitious, he would have believed in the devil.
What happened to the guys couldn't have happened due to natural causes.
The slope on which the tent is pitched cannot be called a slope.
It is almost invisible to the eye. It is impossible to slide on skis on it without pushing off with poles.
Only an overactive imagination can see an avalanche descending there.
Moreover, there are no signs of an avalanche on the tent - all the mountings are in place, the tent has not moved a single centimeter.
The avalanche version as completely ridiculous was not considered at all until May 4, 1959, when the bodies of Dubinina, Thibault and Zolotaryov were found, their bodies inside literally as if crushed by a powerful Uralmash press.
The rest of the guys froze either in the forest or on the way back to the tent.
The medical examination of the first five bodies was very thorough, cutting up every scratch.
They didn't have any violent injuries.
Well, fox-eaten noses.
And that's all.
But these three hikers found in May have almost no ribs left unbroken.
Dubinina's heart is pierced, Thibeaux-Brignolle's skull is broken.
But they will be found only in May, in the stream bed under a 3-4-meter layer of snow.
In the meantime, all March and all of April heavy search work was conducted in the area of ​​the tragedy - military units and UPI students with three-meter probes pierced the snow to the ground till there was daylight.
Investigator L. N. Ivanov was faced with an extremely difficult task - to find what, I don't know what, what made the guys, strong in spirit and body, mad with fear, rip the side of the tent and flee from it headlong, without shoes and outer clothing, in 27 degrees of frost.
Judging by the well-preserved traces, all 9 hikers were in perfect physical health.
I shared with L. N. Ivanov some information I've read in a popular science magazines about the "Flying Dutchmen", ships abandoned by crews mad with fear, and the reasons for this fear - low-frequency oscillations that sometimes occur when air currents pass over the undulating surfaces of oceans, deserts and midlands. L. N. Ivanov made a request to the Ministry of Defense if any tests were carried out in the Northern Ural around February 1, 1959.
They didn’t hope for an answer,
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but it came, entirely negative.
There were no witnesses of the incident in the area of the tragedy - geologists, Mansi, military personnel and other hikers were all quite far away.
But well-preserved footprints leading from the tent to the forest unambiguously speak of the stampede of physically perfectly healthy people.
All nine. Apparently, only in the forest did they regain the ability to reason.
They tried to return to the tent, but it was too late.
The wind and frost caught up with them.
After the terrible discovery on May 4, I saw L. N. Ivanov only once, and I was struck by the change in him - the liveliness of his character disappeared, as if he had aged many years.
- "You know, Slava, it seems to me that there were two applications of a natural force unknown to us: one - psychical, which drove healthy guys out of the tent, and the second - physical, that injured and killed three people who left the main group." - I also think that hearing their cries,
A. Kolevatov made his way to them from the fire under the cedar and helped them as best he could until the very end...
In 1964, my family and I moved to Minsk, where my wife began to teach English to officers upgrading their qualifications at the Minsk Higher Radio Engineering School of the Ministry of Defense.
And once during a free conversation with the officers, she mentioned this tragedy in the Northern Ural.
The officers told her that they had heard about tests in this area of acoustic low-frequency psychic weapons.
Most likely, this is just speculation trying to explain the death of strong guys, temporarily distraught for an hour in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And the last thing.
My mother, a petty bourgeois woman of the Voronezh province, who had a negative attitude towards the Komsomol all her life, after this tragic event, abruptly changed her position, rightly considering the Komsomol, which sent me logging instead of the expedition, as my savior.
Vladislav Nikolaevich Bienko
Minsk
June 2013

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The investigator of the death of Dyatlov's group was warned of incomplete official compliance
The Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Igor Krasnov issued a warning about the incomplete official compliance of the deputy head of the Department of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation for the Ural Federal District, Andrey Kuryakov.
The document is fully posted on the «Bivshiy Sledak» telegram channel.
Its reliability was confirmed by the source of Kommersant-Ural in the regional department.
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Decree of the Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation dated August 10, 2020
The document says that on July 11 this year, Mr. Kuryakov, acting for personal purposes, took part in a press conference announcing the completion of the investigation into the death of Igor Dyatlov's group in 1959.
During the press conference, he also assessed the activities of the prosecutor's office of the Sverdlovsk region in conducting an audit of the circumstances of the death of hikers in 2018-2019, says the decree.
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Andrey Kuryakov - Press Conference February 4, 2019
At the press conference Andrey Kuryakov said that the mystery of the death of hikers at the Dyatlov pass was revealed: an avalanche became the cause of death.
According to him, this version has found its full confirmation.
He voiced this information for the preparation of his PhD dissertation for the degree of candidate of legal sciences, follows from the decree.
Igor Krasnov called it a disciplinary offense in the form of improper performance by Andrey Kuryakov of his official duties.
In this regard, he was warned about incomplete official compliance.
This is the maximum possible punishment before dismissal.
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Andrey Kuryakov is delivering the results and conclusion of the latest investigation as a civilian at the Press Conference July 11, 2020
Andrey Kuryakov has been working in the department of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation for the Ural Federal District since November 2019.
Prior to that, since 2011, he headed the Department for Supervision over the Execution of Federal Legislation of the Prosecutor's Office of the Sverdlovsk Region.
It is believed that it was thanks to him that the Prosecutor General's Office initiated the audit of Dyatlov's death.
The source of "Kommersant-Ural" said that the management, even without a press conference, has complaints against Andrey Kuryakov.
According to the source, Mr. Kuryakov, using his official position, tried to influence the replacement of the prosecutor of Yekaterinburg.
Since 2015, the city department has been headed by Svetlana Kuznetsova.
The position of her deputy is occupied by Venera Kuryakova, who is the wife of Andrey Kuryakov.
 
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Napisano 19 sierpień 2020 - 12:54

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The investigator of the death of Dyatlov's group was warned of incomplete official compliance
The Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Igor Krasnov issued a warning about the incomplete official compliance of the deputy head of the Department of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation for the Ural Federal District, Andrey Kuryakov.
The document is fully posted on the «Bivshiy Sledak» telegram channel.
Its reliability was confirmed by the source of Kommersant-Ural in the regional department.
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Decree of the Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation dated August 10, 2020
The document says that on July 11 this year, Mr. Kuryakov, acting for personal purposes, took part in a press conference announcing the completion of the investigation into the death of Igor Dyatlov's group in 1959. During the press conference, he also assessed the activities of the prosecutor's office of the Sverdlovsk region in conducting an audit of the circumstances of the death of hikers in 2018-2019, says the decree.
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Andrey Kuryakov - Press Conference February 4, 2019
At the press conference Andrey Kuryakov said that the mystery of the death of hikers at the Dyatlov pass was revealed: an avalanche became the cause of death.
According to him, this version has found its full confirmation.
He voiced this information for the preparation of his PhD dissertation for the degree of candidate of legal sciences, follows from the decree.
Igor Krasnov called it a disciplinary offense in the form of improper performance by Andrey Kuryakov of his official duties.
In this regard, he was warned about incomplete official compliance.
This is the maximum possible punishment before dismissal.
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Andrey Kuryakov is delivering the results and conclusion of the latest investigation as a civilian at the Press Conference July 11, 2020
Andrey Kuryakov has been working in the department of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation for the Ural Federal District since November 2019. Prior to that, since 2011, he headed the Department for Supervision over the Execution of Federal Legislation of the Prosecutor's Office of the Sverdlovsk Region.
It is believed that it was thanks to him that the Prosecutor General's Office initiated the audit of Dyatlov's death.
The source of "Kommersant-Ural" said that the management, even without a press conference, has complaints against Andrey Kuryakov. According to the source, Mr. Kuryakov, using his official position, tried to influence the replacement of the prosecutor of Yekaterinburg.
Since 2015, the city department has been headed by Svetlana Kuznetsova.
The position of her deputy is occupied by Venera Kuryakova, who is the wife of Andrey Kuryakov.
 
Source Kommersant
 
 
So where does that leave us. Its even more confusing now.
Does it mean that there is hope yet.
Will the Russian authorities, aka, the Russian Government, finally give us the Investigation that is really needed.
Galina Sazonova is attempting to answer this question in Dyatlov Pass Forum.
This government will not allow a "real" investigation. You need to understand Who is Who in Russia.
 
Andrey Kuryakov
2011- Nov 2019 headed the Department of the Prosecutor's Office of the Sverdlovsk Region.
Prosecutor General of Russia that time - Yury Chaika.
The investigation started in 2017.
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Yury Yakovlevich Chaika - Prosecutor General of Russia from 2006 to 2020. He was fired by Putin and succeeded by Igor Krasnov
Nov 2019 Kuryakov was promoted by Chaika to Head of Department Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation for the Ural Federal District.
Prosecutor General of Russia was still Yury Chaika.
Jan 22, 2020 Yury Chaika was fired and succeeded by Igor Krasnov.
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Igor Victorovich Krasnov - Prosecutor General of Russia since January 22, 2020
Igor Krasnov
is the new Prosecutor General of Russia. He signed the above mentioned decree.
In Russia, as in many countries, the Prosecutor's Office and the Investigative Committee are completely different organizations.
The Investigative Committee conducts the investigation, and the Prosecutor's Office oversees compliance with the law.
Before heading the Prosecutor General's Office Igor Krasnov was Deputy Head of the Investigative Committee.
There are only two options to reopen the case.
  1. apply to the Investigative Committee
  2. apply to the Prosecutor's Office
Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) and Leonid Proshkin started from Investigative Committee (IC) in 2014.
Investigation lasted several years and ended in an amazing way.
Thanks to Keith McCloskey, we got the answer from the IC "we have not conducted any investigation, we do not know anything" (full text).
The lawyer has copies of all documents in his hands, but the IC replied that they see them for the first time.
It was Krasnov.
Ok, if it doesn't work in one place - let's go to another.
KP initiated another investigation, now at the prosecutor's office. Everything goes well until Krasnov gets in the picture.
It is possible that the old situation would have repeated and no one would have received results at all.
Kuryakov showed all documents during the press-conference and was punished by Krasnov.
Сould an avalanche be the cause of such games and events at the highest level of Russian officials?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 19 sierpień 2020 - 22:27

So where does that leave us.
 
Its even more confusing now.
 
Does it mean that there is hope yet.
 
Will the Russian authorities, aka, the Russian Government, finally give us the Investigation that is really needed.
 
 
Galina Sazonova is attempting to answer this question in Dyatlov Pass Forum.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 03 wrzesień 2020 - 20:27

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Who did Yudin give his vest that was found on Dyatlov
Dyatlov was found in an unbuttoned fur sleeveless vest - outer side blue cotton, inner side dark grey fur. It belonged to Yudin.
Case files say he left the vest to Kolevatov, but Yudin himself said in 2008 he gave it to Doroshenko when they parted in 2nd Northern.
This letter sheds light on the manner case files were signed and investigation was conducted.
Galina Sazonova has also made a point of more discrepancies in the Resolution to close the case.
It is not necessarily indicative of a cover up (or is it?), just the way things were back in 1959. You trust the organs to do the right thing.
Then changes come and we no longer find it proper, we try to find a motive, looking in all directions.

Who did Yudin give his vest that was found on Dyatlov

 

Kolevatov
From the "Protocol inspection of items found at the scene" (Case files sheet 13):
One piece of clothing found on I. A. Dyatlov body described in the autopsy report was a fur vest trimmed with blue satin. Yuri Yudin said that the vest belonged to him, and on 28-Jan-1959 he gave it to S. Kolevatov.
Doroshenko
Yuri Yudin himself said the following in a letter dated May 14, 2008:
Dear Aleксander! I am answering Olga's questions from the TAU forum.
  1. About wadded quilts and fur jackets.
    According to the inventory, there were 6 of them in the tent and one was in S. Kolevatov's backpack.
    In the tent was I. Dyatlov's leather fur jacket with a zipper. K. Thibault was found in a fur jacket (I think his own).
    Total = 9 pcs.
    As for the inconsistency in the inventory, he has a quilted jacket, then perhaps this is an incorrect entry by investigator Ivanov. He wrote the inventory as he needed in his own handwriting. He wrote that I gave my fur sleeveless jacket to S. Kolevatov, while I gave it at the 2nd Northern to Y. Doroshenko.
    He attributed to me that I allegedly identified the intimate parts of Zina's clothing and what the first five bodies were found in, but naturally I could not do this since I was not present at the autopsy and undressing of the bodies... I was naive and signed the inventory without reading it, firmly believing in the actions of the investigator.
  2. About the headwear: Y. Doroshenko and S. Zolotaryov wore earflaps, K. Thibault fur hat, in addition, according to my inventory, there were 7 woolen hats, which provided protection even in severe frost.
  3. About the shoes at the camp site: there were 5 pairs of felt boots, Zolotaryov had quilted soft wadded boots without soles (burki) for sleeping, in the tent there were also two pairs of fur covers and two pairs of cloth house slippers. At the campfire sites they stayed in inner boots with covers on them.
  4. I can't say anything about the sweaters.
  5. About storm pants: Y. Doroshenko probably had them and remained in the tent, and Ivanov wrote them down to Kolevatov.
    5 storm trousers were found in the tent, S. Kolevatov was found in storm trousers in May, S. Zolotaryov was found in overalls in May.
    A total of 7 canvas trousers. Girls in our time did not like to walk in clumsy oversized canvas trousers. Apparently, they did not take them on the trek.
  6. According to the prosecutor's office dated May 6, 1959, it can be understood that Kolevatov was wearing a storm suit. But from the photo, where he is transported to the helicopter, only storm trousers (most likely his own) are visible, and the storm jacket is no longer visible, only a ski jacket with a burnt sleeve. According to my inventory, all 9 storms were in the tent.
  7. As for S. Kolevatov's birthday, I can't comment anything. From the context of the group's diary, it looks like they celebrated his birthday on January 30, I have no doubts about it.
 
Respectfully Y. Yudin (signature) May 14, 2008

I attach 2 copies of a power of attorney.
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But this is not quite it.
Doroshenko had borrowed the same type vest from a friend before the trek.
This is a line from the protocol of identification of the items by relatives: Case file 240 (back)
3. Sleeveless fur vest borrowed from Farid Gaynutdinov, course R-463
In the protocol of the items found in the tent Yudin said that the following items belonged to Kolevatov.
Note that they were not found on Kolevatov, so Yudin could have been easily mistaken.
This could be Doroshenko's vest, and he could have unwillingly contributed to the mess in the case files.
Ivanov is not solely to blame.
8. Identified as Kolevatov's belongings: black backpack.
Blanket of soldier cloth, jackets and pants, fur vest...
On the other hand Kolevatov's relatives did not identify any such vest, so it must belong to someone else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Napisano 07 wrzesień 2020 - 20:03

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"There was no snowstorm": New investigation conclusions on the weather the night of the Dyatlov Pass incident
This weather report is part of the prosecutor's investigation in 2019
 
 
In the winter of 1959, a group of nine hikers disappeared in the mountains of the Northern Urals.
They were led by fifth-year student of the Ural Polytechnic Institute Igor Dyatlov.
For 18 days, the group had to ski 300 kilometers in the north of the Sverdlovsk region, climbing two peaks.
The hike was of the highest category of difficulty according to the 1950s classification.
A month after the disappearance of the hikers, rescuers found their tent cut from inside and five frozen bodies within a radius of one and a half kilometers on the slope of a pass.
The bodies of the rest were found only in May.
The investigation found that some of the hikers died from the cold, but some of them had fatal injuries of unknown origin.
What exactly happened to the Dyatlov group is still unknown.
In 1959, investigators closed the criminal case with a strange wording: "The cause of death of hikers was a overwhelming force, which they were unable to overcome."
No one ventured to explain what kind of "overwhelming force".
The first thing that comes to mind is maybe some kind of meteorological phenomenon?
Like a sbowstorm?
But there is practically no mention of the weather in the official documents.
No requests to local hydrometeorological services, no meteorological information.
In general, we doubt that the investigators were then interested in the weather on the day the hikers died.
In the criminal case, there are only a few witness statements, from which it is known that, for example, the forester Rempel from Vizhay warned Igor Dyatlov about strong winds in the mountains in winter.
And witness Popov said that in early February the weather was terribly windy.
But the forester's warnings can hardly be considered official confirmation, and Popov, judging by the document, communicated with the investigator on February 6, which does not fit in with the beginning of the criminal case initiated on February 26.
As it happens, no one has yet explained this discrepancy in the dates, not even the prosecutor's office.
But the prosecutor's office tried to establish whether there was a severe frost and winds with the force of a hurricane at the pass on the night of 1 to 2 of February, 1959.
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One of the last photos of the group
A microclimatic examination of the Kholat Syakhl mountain region in January-February 1959 was carried out at the Voeikov Main Geophysical Observatory in St. Petersburg.
The specialists used the method of calculating weather conditions based on data from several weather stations.
In our case, expert Galina Pigoltsina determined a detailed microclimatic assessment of the Dyatlov pass, relying on the readings of January-February 1959 of the nearest stations Ivdel, Burmantovo, Vizhay, as well as Taganay (a high-mountain point 600 km south of Kholat Syakhl), Polyudova Kamen (western foothills of the Urals ).
The expert noted that the Dyatlov pass has been studied "in meteorological terms extremely insufficiently", and information about the area is "practically absent".
That is why the conclusions are circumstantial.
Here they are:
 
TEMPERATURE
It snowed continuously in the area of Mount Kholat Syakhl from January 31 to February 1.
The snowfalls were accompanied by strong winds, with temperatures ranging from -10°C to -32°C.
Please note that temperatures are calculated not only by hours and by hiker's locations.
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The well-known forensic expert Eduard Tumanov does not agree with this conclusion.
- I do not agree with the method of calculating the time of death by examining the stomach content, the expert says.
- It is based on the fact that a person ate at a certain hour and the contents gradually enter the stomach, and then descend into the intestines, and that all this happens at some intervals.
But each person has his own intestinal rhythm. And in the case of Dyatlov group incident, cold and stress must be taken into account.
And even the cause of death affects intestinal motility.
The reaction of the intestines to agony can not be predicted and taken into account e.g. each body reacts differently.
 
WIND
Was there a strong wind (with force of a hurricane) on Kholat Syakhl that drove the hikers out of their tent to their demise?
We know from ourselves that a strong piercing wind blows constantly on the mountain - both in winter and in summer.
The microclimatic examination answers the questions how strong it was on February 1, 1959.
Galina Pigoltsina claims that on February 1 and 2, 1959, according to aerological and synoptic data, a northwest wind was blowing over the mountains.
A wind shadow has formed on the eastern slope (a place where the wind speed is significantly reduced).
Skiers set up their tent there.
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It turns out that the wind speed was relatively low.
There was no snowstorm in the day of the Dyatlov group incident.
We found an circumstantial confirmation of this in the diaries of journalist Gennadiy Grigoriev "Snowstorm in the Mountains", who was at the scene of the tragedy during the search.
He wrote: "I imagined, listening to the whisper from the cedar, how Krivonischenko and Doroshenko died here.
There is moss on the birch trees.
Near the cedar there is a mountain ash [aka rowan] bush.
Snow all around (deep).
On the mountain ash are a few dry leafs and a some berries not yet pecked by the birds."
Obviously, a hurricane wind would not have left any leaves or berries on the trees.
 
Wind chill temperature index
The "feels like" temperature is a measurement of how hot or cold it really feels like outside.
For example, skin that is exposed to wind and cold temperatures will make a person feel that it is colder outside than it really is because heat is drawn away from the body at a faster rate.
When we look at the weather on the phone, the application shows two values: minus 25, it feels like minus 30.
The latter value is the wind chill index, the complex effect of temperature and wind on a person.
The wind chill index on 1 and 2 of February, 1959, at the tent and cedar:
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Wind chill index values:
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It turns out that at the moment when the tourists left the tent (at about 9 pm), the wind chill index both at the level of the tent -31.8°C (-25.2°F) and at the level of the cedar -29°C (-20.2°F) corresponded to the moderate risk of hypothermia and frostbite...
By the time three hikers decided to scale the slope back to the tent, at about 3~5 am, the wind chill index at the cedar was already -43~-46°C (-45.6~-50.8°F).
 
SNOW
The key point of the microclimatic examination is the increased thickness of the snow cover to 250 cm, which, according to Pigoltsina, formed 50 m above the tent.
It was this large mass of snow that allegedly descended onto the tent under the influence of the wind and thaw.
It is known that at the end of January the weather in those parts was warm for the winter.
But on February 1, the temperature began to drop lower and lower.
This, according to some researchers, provoked the formation of the snow slab.
A participant in the search for the Dyatlov group, Vladislav Karelin, analyzed the expert's calculations and did not agree with them.
- I was at the pass from February 27 to March 9, 1959, - Vladislav Georgievich recalls.
- And I didn't see any signs of an avalanche.
In addition, the tent was not on the eastern slope of Kholat Syakhl, but on the slope of the northeastern spur of this mountain range.
The expert calculated the distribution of the height of the snow cover over the tent, using the pattern she obtained on the slopes of the Aibga ridge in the Caucasus.
But the conditions of the Caucasian relief are fundamentally different from the altitude characteristics of the Ural Mountains.
The slopes and peaks in the Caucasus are steep and rocky, with a well pronounced prominence, and in the Urals there are smooth outlines of peaks with a small difference in heights on the slopes.
These differences cast doubt on the results of the expert's calculations.
In addition, my observations made during the search clearly contradict the calculated data of the expert.
According to Galina Pigoltsina, the depth of the snow near the tent was 150 cm.
But during my searches in February-March 1959, I repeatedly stuck a metal probe into the snow, which went deep near the tent in no way more than 80-100 cm.
According to the expert's calculations, the depth of the snow on the northeastern spur of Mount Kholat Syakhl in 1959 was 140 cm.
But I, together with the head of search operation Evgeniy Maslennikov, climbed the northeastern spur.
And there I saw stones, slightly powdered with snow. T
herefore, I have great doubts about the calculations and conclusions made by the expert.
"The avalanche could have happened with a high degree of probability," the expert concluded.
But it is obvious that the possibility of an avalanche is not evidence of its actual occurrence.
In addition, the expert did not give any real and specific signs of an avalanche.
Therefore, it is not yet possible to speak of the avalanche version as the only possible cause of the tragedy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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How many bodies were brought in Ivdel for autopsy - 9 or 11? (part 1)
© NGO "INTERNET CENTER of the Dyatlov group tragedy", 2008.
The text of the conversation of the "Center for Civil Investigation of the Dyatlov Pass tragedy" (NAVIG, Verden), Tuapse and others with the former nurse N-240 in 1959 Solter Pelageya Ivanovna (PI) and Victor Konstantinovich (VK) on the case of Dyatlov Pass incident 04-05 July 2008

The text is based on a video of the conversation.
Copyright for sound recording and this text have: Center for Civil Investigation of the Dyatlov Pass tragedy and Tuapse.
The text is recorded and edited by Verden, NAVIG and Tuapse.
NAVIG: What Pelageya Ivanovna will say will be filmed on video so it can serve in court as an evidence.
VK: This is a case that even parents still do not know how their children died. There are many contradictions ...
NAVIG: You lived there at this time?
VK: The administration was very strange at that time. I lived in Ivdel and worked in the establishment of the N-240.
NAVIG: In what capacity?
VK: I was later a senior engineer, and before that, in the 59th, I was the inspector of the State ... Soyuzgosles Inspectorate. I was in charge of logging, procurers, consumers ...
NAVIG: Did you know the Mansi? Kurikov, Anyamov?
VK: I did not know them in person. Saw them in the press, in the local newspaper, and in the city... I am familiar with the life of Mansi to some extent. I myself am a mushroom picker, in these areas where the mountains begin, between Ivdel and Polunochnoe, there is a road to these mountains to the north ...
PI: This is where you come from? (photos on the table are brought by the Center)
NAVIG: Yudin gave us this... Is this you in the photo?
PI: (nods).
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Pelageya Ivanovna Solter
VK: We can give you a lot of medical photos. She was the Head nurse of the surgical department.
NAVIG: Prudkova?
VK: Yes, Prudkova. Prudkov was a surgeon ...
TUAPSE: Civilian or military?
VK: He was famous, very conscientious, hardworking, accepted people ...
PI: Such a good man! And I worked with him.
VERDEN (asks again): Was he a military surgeon or civilian?
VK: He was a certified?
TUAPSE: What is "certified"?
VK: "Certified" means doctors who worked in the institution, in the camp area - the hospital was full, there was a staff ... Then they started to certify, there are all surgeons and nurses ...
TUAPSE: Was the hospital civil or a military department ?
VK: No, it was special, for the establishment of the N-240 Ministry of the Interior of the USSR. The Ministry of Internal Affairs had great power at that time.
NAVIG: It used to be Ivdellag.
VK: They did not even submit to the hill, but to the camp management, well, to some extent, the KGB.
NAVIG: KGB directly?
VK: No, the Ministry of Internal Affairs
NAVIG: In the year 59, I was transferred to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and before that it was Ivdellag ...
NAVIG: We want Pelageya Ivanovna to tell us about the Dyatlov group. What happened, in what order, how did it worked back then.
TUAPSE: Maybe you will tell, how did you get to know them? Did you ever meet them?
VK: You know, she can be mistaken, her memory is not the same ... But I remember them. We lived near the Headquarters. And there was a bus station. When I went to work, there were all these hikers who came there and waited the bus with their backpacks, 5 or 10 at a time. That's where she saw them.
NAVIG: Here they are, 9 people. Do you remember anyone? (a photo)
VK: No, she did not know them in person.
PI: Did they all die? Well, you say "you don't remember" ... We were called with Prudkov. I washed, and Prudkov helped the bodies to be dress ... Then they took them to the car and drove them to the airfield. And they were sent directly to Sverdlovsk in coffins. And they were buried in Sverdlovsk. Without relatives.
NAVIG: Was there an autopsy?
PI: Prudkov only examined, described. I washed them, wiped them ...
VK: Allow me? The fact is that according to Matveeva's book the autopsy was done in Ivdel. She says that the autopsy was not done in Ivdel. It was a preliminary preparation for them, probably for an autopsy ... And the autopsy was done somewhere else, it was not known where. Or maybe in the city hospital ...
PI: No, they did not do it in the city. They were sent to Sverdlovsk by airplanes.
VK: No, it wasn't in Sverdlovsk, according to the book that they did it in Ivdel.
PI: We washed them here ...
NAVIG: Pelageya Ivanovna ...
TUAPSE: And how do you know that they were sent to Sverdlovsk then?
VK: Yes, because she thinks that it was all ...
NAVIG: Pelageya Ivanovna, do you remember their external appearance? Look, here is what they looked like in the morgue N-240. Were they like that? Do you remember?
PI: I can't recognize them, of course.
TUAPSE: How about the degree of decomposition?
NAVIG: Or is it not them?
VERDEN: Are these them? Did you see them? Did you wash them off? You washed them in this way?
PI: We washed them in the morgue ...
NAVIG: No, but their appearance? Is this the Dyatlov group ...
VERDEN: Did they look like this? Did they?
VK: These was them. Only she says that they were very dirty.
VERDEN: You see here, there is great damage, there is no face ...
NAVIG: Well, they were found in a creek, they were brought like that...
PI: Prudkov described them.
NAVIG: Nothing is mentioned about this in the case files.
VK: I read about Vozrozhdenny ...
PI: Prudkov described them, washed them and put them in coffins. Then they were send on an airplane to Sverdlovsk where they were buried.
VK: Listen, and why there is no signature of the second surgeon, German surname ...
NAVIG: Yes, there isn't. Was he there?
VK: I do not know, Matveeva writes ...
NAVIG: And was Ganz with Prudkov? Pelageya Ivanovna, did you know him?
VK: They didn't know. They didn't know Vozrozhdenny either. They just prepared and they were taken away ... Where were they taken? Maybe they were taken to the city hospital. Maybe they took them somewhere else ...
NAVIG: Victor Konstantinovich, we assume that there were two groups of bodies, and they did not know each other. This is what we trying to find out. Did you work with the Dyatlov group or the other people? And who did Ganz and Vozrozhdenny perform autopsies on?
PI: We did not do autopsy on anyone.
NAVIG: No one? But the act is, which was opened in the N-240, Vozrozhdenny and Ivanov - the investigator ...
PI: We did not do autopsies on anyone. Prudkov only examined, described, I washed them all ...
NAVIG: Were they wearing clothes?
PI: They were wearing clothes. They were very dirty.
NAVIG: And here you write that there were two girls and one guy ... So were there two girls?
PI: One girl was found with the guys, and the second girl was found after 2 or 3 days.
NAVIG: Or a month?
VK: Month! No, I said "two days"?
NAVIG: Months or a days? This is very important.
PI: Month ... no.
NAVIG: No? And they were found in early May, and those at the end of February. So were they brought all together or at different times?
PI: One girl was found right away, and the second girl was found later.
NAVIG: So you and Prudkov were repeatedly summoned? Have you been called twice or just once?
PI: We were called out with Prudkov - as soon as they were brought, they call us immediately.
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1. Pelageya Ivanovna Solter - nurse; 2. Yosif Davydovich Prudkov - surgeon
NAVIG: They were frozen, the bodies? Frozen?
VK: I saw 5 bodies being brought. In Ivdel. I saw them in front of the morgue, in the car. Brought apparently from the airport. I saw how they were unloaded. I didn't go close, but I just know that they were frozen in different poses, wrapped in blankets ... I think they were blue blankets.
NAVIG: That's the way ... Here they are photographed on the pass, in the snow.
NAVIG: And the bodies, were they thawed?
PI: They were brought and put in a morgue.
NAVIG: But they probably had to be thawed somehow?
VK: Well, I saw that the hands even here were like (pose), and remained ... 5 people.
VERDEN: How did they wash it at the same time? They were defrosted first?
VK: Of course. Laid down, defrosted probably ...
PI: Thawed. In the morgue, everything ...
NAVIG: And how much time did they thaw?
VK: We did not deal with these details. I only know about the situation in the city. If they were autopsied in Ivdel, we would have know about it.
NAVIG: What did they do with their clothes?
VK: Well, ... They could have burned them, throw in the furnace and burn it. Moreover, they also had radiation on their clothes. Although they lay in the water ...
NAVIG: And the first group?
VK: Yes, I again read this from the book, that she (Matveeva) there leads the facts. An autopsy, it also describes everything.
VERDEN: Do you remember what were they dressed in (after being washing)? What were the clothes?
PI: We had to buy the clothes. There were no relatives ...
VK: Look, the first group did not even have any damage, and the second one had all the ribs broken. Who could casue these injuries on them? For this type of injuries, it should be ...
TUAPSE: And who discovered that the ribs were broken? Or did you read this in the book?
VK: Yes, we learned this from the reports. This can only be determined with an autopsy.
NAVIG: And besides Prudkov, who else was there?
PI: There was no one, he was alone there.
NAVIG: You were unsupervised, there was no guard?
PI: No, there was only Prudkov and that's all.
NAVIG: And who was on the washing? You, Yosif Davydovich ... who else?
PI: No one else.
NAVIG: Was the morgue guarded?
PI: No, there was no one.
VK: And there were no orderlies who were washing?
PI: I washed them.
NAVIG: And their appearance? What did the bodies look like?
PI: Of course, if I immediately wrote everything down, but now ...
VERDEN: Are the bodies were they well preserved?
PI: Well, they were in one piece. One had a head wound, a crack in his head, but they were all in one piece, not injured.
VK: The group found in the spring, they were decayed. The second party.
VERDEN: How many bodies were there? How much do you remember?
PI: I remember that the first time they brought six people. And first one girl, and the second girl was later found ...
NAVIG: Did you know Korotaev? This is an investigator, he worked in the Ivdel Prosecutor's Office.
PI: I do not remember who he was...
VK: I know who is he.
NAVIG: Korotaev wrote that he assisted Ganz and Vozrozhdenny in Ivdel with the autopsies, that he packed the organs for analysis. In Ivdel.
VK: Could be.
NAVIG: I have his story. He personally told me this.
VK: In each autopsy report it says in which hospital or morgue it was performed ...
NAVIG: In the morgue of N-240 ...
VK: Maybe it was done at night, and they just prepared them ...
VERDEN: So, they apparently had the impression that the corpses would be sent, but in fact the corpses were not sent? Maybe that was it?
VK: That's right. They said so and probably ... Because there is everywhere a veil of mystery, some haste ...
PI: These corpses were later put in coffins and sent by plane to the cemetery in Sverdlovsk. And there they were buried.
VERDEN: Did you see how they were put in coffins?
PI: Of course. We dressed them and laid them down. Clean.
VK: If there was some sort of collusion or some kind of pressure, no one could tell them where the corpses were actually sent. Here they prepared them, and at night in the same morgue they did an autopsy. And that's all they were told. End of conversation.
TUAPSE: This is not likely, because it says here that the autopsy was performed in daylight.
VK: "In daylight" who wrote this?
NAVIG: Investigator Ivanov and expert Vozrozhdenny. And the expert criminalist Churkinа.
NAVIG: They couldn't have been prepared. Bodies can not be washed before examination. They should be in the clothes in which they were found.
TUAPSE: The bodies were not prepared, they were in the clothes in which they were found.
NAVIG: They (the experts) undressed them themselves. "The corpse lies, dressed in a hat, in a mask" ... Before the examination they can not be undressed... Or maybe they made a synthesis?
VK: I am telling you, there was some sort of undressing. They simply cut all the clothes with knives, to remove them faster... I know that they were buying suits in Ivdel.
PI: All the clothes were dirty, everything was dirty, everything was removed from them ... Clothes were bought.
VERDEN: This is the second evidence that clothes were bought in Ivdel.
PI: Clothes were bought and they were laid in coffins ...
NAVIG: Did you see it yourself?
PI: Yes. Went to the coffins at once. Coffins brought ...
NAVIG: And who was lying down?
PI: ... The coffins were sent to Sverdlovsk.
NAVIG: Did you give a non-disclosure statement?
PI: Prudkov was doing all this.
NAVIG: We talked with his wife, Valentina Ivanovna. Did you know her?
PI: Yes, I did.
NAVIG: And she says she did not know you.
PI: She doesn't?
NAVIG: Were you called Maria?
VK: She may not know Prudkov's wife. How do you know her?
PI: Well, why wouldn't I know her? She is a teacher...
VERDEN: No, she's a pediatrician.
NAVIG: It is not her then.
VERDEN: No, that one. She called her "Valentina Ivanovna" ...
NAVIG: I told her that.
VERDEN: No, she called her even at the very beginning of the conversation, and I wrote down to clarify everything later.
NAVIG: Let him repeat it again.
VERDEN: What was the name of Prudkov's wife?
PI: Valentina Ivanovna.
NAVIG: A teacher?
PI: Yes.
VERDEN: She says she's a teacher. A pediatrician and children's teacher are somewhat similar: working with children
NAVIG: Do you have a pictures of Prudkova? The medical department there, its kind ...
VK: There are photos, I can bring you ...
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Ivdel Medical Personnel: 1. Tzel Davydovna Schmidt - doctor; 2. Ekaterina Vasilievna Evstigneeva - pediatrician; 3. Savenkov - Head of Ivdel hospital; 4. Yosif Davydovich Prudkov - surgeon; 5. Shrayner N.K.
NAVIG: Your name is Pelageya, right? And why are you sometimes called Maria?
PI: I am Pelageya, but some have addressed and called me Maria.
VK: But according to the documents Pelageya Ivanovna.
NAVIG: Pelageya Ivanovna, and on what operations did you usually assist Prudkov?
PI: Yes, all operations. Who was brought, all were operated on...
NAVIG: Did you know the instruments you handed to him?
PI: I boiled the instruments that were used in operateds.
NAVIG: Did you know the names of the instruments?
PI: Scalpel, then clamps ... there were clamps and bent tips...
TUAPSE: And Prudkov, did he perform autopsies?
PI: Of course. He was a very smart doctor.
PI: So the autopsy were perfomed in the morgue ...
VERDEN: So, he operated on living and dead people? Corpses?
PI: Yes, he did everything there, he was in charge ...
VERDEN: Maybe because it was the zone? ...
VK: I know that there was better pay for autopsies. In my opinion, Sharonin did all the autopsies.
PI: Sharonin came in the picture later ...
NAVIG: We have a letter ... Pelageya Ivanovna, you wrote to Yudin ...
VK: I wrote this.
NAVIG: No, you wrote the second letter, and the first one she wrote. Pelageya Ivanovna, you wrote in it that when they were brought they looked like dead. What does it mean?
VERDEN: "At first they brought three, two girls and one guy. Their faces were like those of the dead. "
PI: Yes.
NAVIG: What does that mean? They were brought dead, not alive? Why did you write that?
PI: No, they did not bring them alive, they brought them dead ...
NAVIG: So you wrote it right? All correct?
PI: Of course.
NAVIG: This was written in 2000 when you remembered everything.
VERDEN: You wrote further: "At one girl the hair from one side was charred, on one arm the sleeve slightly burnt ...". Do you remember these corpses? Were they burnt?
PI: Yes, they were burnt. You know, they were very dirty.
NAVIG: Where would the mud come in winter. Those were the ones in spring, probably ...
PI: If I knew that you would ask, I would have written everything down ...
VERDEN: And where were the documents kept, Prudkov files? Where can they be?
VK: Well, she's a nurse ... If they were in the hospital, they would be in the Headquarters office ...
PI: In Sverdlovsk. Everything is in Sverdlovsk ...
VK: There is a special department in that institution, which keeps all sorts of tricks ...
NAVIG: We have now sent an official request to Ivdel. We sent it to the Headquarters of the correctional penal system, and they sent it to Ivdel. In Sverdlovsk there are no documents on the Dyatlov group.
VK: In Ivdel this institution is now closed. It is suspended. In Ivdel, there are now 7 or 8 colonies and each colony, it ... But all the archives from the Main Directorate that was in Ivdel is stored somewhere ...
PI: Main Directorate archives, you can still apply in Ivdel.
NAVIG: Well, they sent the request to Ivdel, but the answer has not come yet.
NAVIG: That's how you remember them? This one is in his clothes ...
VK: Well, how can one remember, they look different here ... Let me see ...
NAVIG: They are already thawed here. Lie normally ...
VK: Is this the first group or the second?
NAVIG: The second.
NAVIG: Do you remember how they were brought? Did you see them?
VK: I did not see the second group. I went to business trips often. But on the first groupf I just came across ...
TUAPSE: And when was that - the first group. What time?
VK: Well, they were also brought to the N-240. And there the surgical department and I went to the procedures. I saw that the car was standing and unloaded ...
TUAPSE: It was in March, or in February, you do not remember?
VK: It was probably early March.
TUAPSE: And did you write this letter?
VK: Yes.
PI: And does Prudkov's wife live in Sverdlovsk?
NAVIG: Yes, we talked with her. She said that her husband did not tell anything at home that they were not allowed to tell.
VERDEN: How did the bodies thaw? Did they just lay and thaw?
PI: They just lay there ...
VERDEN: How long? How many days does it take to thaw a body?
PI: Well, a week, probably / they were lying ... They were all frozen.
NAVIG: 49 years have passed, but no one knows why they died.
VK: This is a cruel case. Nobody knows ... And agree, but it is not only my opinion: people, could have even blinded them, could be explosion of some sort ... the thing is that they started to choke, there was not enough oxygen to breathe. And in their fever they ran down, everybody in same direction ... And then, down below, there was more oxygen, they began to breathe, and so on ... But why did not they have enough strength to stick together? If you are going to die, so be it, but why in this manner, some here, another there, by the stream, almost half kilometer away ... Why did they split? You can imagine that there was, for example, 27 degrees below ... and they were barefoot. How did they manage to move? Dyatlov himself, you could tell it was him, holding on to that birch, trying to go back to the tent, because there was their salvation, there was alcohol, clothes ... Maybe they even use psychotropic weapon on them.
PI: They said there was a fireball ...
VK: It was later, it was said there ... I personally often saw in the evenings in this region some kind of firebolts ...
NAVIG: Far away?
VK: Well, there, in the Ural Mountains. Ivdel is higher and the Ural Mountains are close by... In that area.
NAVIG: What year? About? Before?
VK: Yes, and before that, and after I saw.
NAVIG: What was the situation in Ivdel when they were found? Do you remember? Was there a lot of military, special communication? Did the generals come?
VK: No.
NAVIG: Shtrauh wrote that they came. Do you know Shtrauh?
VK: Shtrauh I know.
NAVIG: He said that there was special communication, telegraph pole were installed, the generals were walking about ...
VK: Maybe there was something like that, but I do not know anything about it. I know that there was a military unit that guarded the institution, the camps. There was the regiment, or in my opinion, even a division... And so maybe some generals ... Well, the colonels were of internal troops.
NAVIG: So you have not seen them?
VK: I did not see it.
NAVIG: A Shtrauh says that he saw.
VK: Well, Shtrauh is an intelligent man, a correspondent of a newspaper, he could have known more.
NAVIG: Did you know Solomonovich?
VK: Felix Yakovlevich? But what about.
NAVIG: We spoke with him recently. He had there, by the way, his wife was also present. She worked somewhere in the office.
VK: We worked together with Solomonovich, in one department, he was a lieutenant colonel.
NAVIG: Solomonovich says that the autopsy was done in the zone and sent to Sverdlovsk.
VK: Did he say that? Well, so they did. And, you see, she (Pelageya Ivanovna) was told that they were taken on planes to Sverdlovsk.
VERDEN: She might not know the fate of the bodies, she just did some specific task ...
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Pelageya Ivanovna Solter
VK: There's a hospital in the zone, all the contingent was treated in it ... in the zone ... there is surgery ...
NAVIG: A where is the morgue?
VK: A morgue beyond the pre-ice zone.
VERDEN: Pelageya Ivanovna, do you remember if all the corpses were dirty? All nine?
PI: All dirty, everyone was washed ...
NAVIG: So the morgue was outside the zone?
VK: This morgue was in the hospital. There, in the town, we had a therapeutic department, the brick building was good, good doctors.
NAVIG: Was it beyond the zone? And what was in the zone then? Was there a morgue?
VK: I do not remember where the morgue was ... there were no cons here ... There was a small morgue, and the next day the prisoners were taken out and buried ...
NAVIG: The autopsy was done in the zone morgue ...
VK: Correct.
NAVIG: So, has Prudkov been called to the civil morgue or to the camp morgue?
VK: In the civil, I know for sure.
VERDEN: Did Prudkov inspect the civilian morgue?
VK: N-240 is in the hospital, and the camp hospital is separate, in the camp zone.
PI: He worked in the hospital, and the morgue was from the hospital.
VK: They sent these bodies to Prudkov to prepared ...
NAVIG: In the civilian?
VK: Yes, they made a description there ...
NAVIG: I have to clarify, they worked all in what hospital, in the territory of the zone or in civilian?
VERDEN: Pelageya Ivanovna, did you work in the morgue with Prudkov on the territory of the zone or on the territory of the hospital?
PI: On the territory of the zone.
VK: What zone?!
PI: Well, I went into the hospital in the zone... With Prudkov.
VK: What kind of zone? You and Prudkov worked in the morgue in the zone. What morgue is there in the zone?
NAVIG: Behind the barbed wire?
VK: Let's determine what "in the zone" means!
NAVIG: Yes, let's ...
VK: There was a contingent there, tens of thousand of people, you have to treat them. There was Four, it was in the city, very close to Headquarters.
NAVIG: What is Four?
NAVIG: Management? Zone - Four?
VK: The zone of the Four, in this Four there was a hospital for the convicts specially, from all the colonies were brought and treated. There is surgery and operations were performed, well, everything ..., and there were many doctors. And there were good specialists, because...
PI: Well, maybe there's still someone left.
VK: They paid more than in the civil.
NAVIG: In the zone?
VK: In the zone, yes, they paid more. And here, beyond the zone, there was surgery, too, there was hospital , the clinic was separate. It was for civilian contingent only. Well, the personnel who worked at the N-240.
NAVIG: It was for them, yes?
TUAPSE: For civilians?
NAVIG: Did you go out of the population? No?
VK: No.
NAVIG: That is for civilian personnel.
VK: There was a central hospital for Ivdel's population. It is still there. It's a special hospital, you see, they even had a slightly higher salary.
NAVIG: No, I see. Well, what about the barbed wire, the area was surrounded by a wire? Was there a passing mode?
VK: Sure. There were the barracks where the condemned lived.
NAVIG: So, this hospital was behind this zone?
VK: It was in this Zone, but it was still fenced off separately.
TUAPSE: Do we understand correctly that there was a hospital for prisoners separately, separately for the personnel who worked in the Zone and separately for civilians and residents of Ivdel?
VK: This is what I am explaining.
TUAPSE: We have three hospitals?
VK: Yes, there were three hospitals. Convicts were treated, and specially, and this structure is still in the medical institutions of the Ministry of Justice. But, given that now the Colonies have autonomy, the Headquarters reduced it, so they left the medicine and left the clinic. They didn't even abandon all branches
PI: And Prudkov's wife is she still alive? Does she live in Ivdel?
VERDEN: No, in Sverdlovsk.
PI: Does she live in Sverdlovsk? And the sons are they both surgeons?
VERDEN: Yes.
NAVIG: One is Chief surgeon of the Urals Federal District, Mikhail. And this one - he is the Head of the department of the Sverdlovsk administration.
VK: Are these the sons of Prudkov?
NAVIG: Yes. Aleksander, he will be the shorter.
VK: Here she was in the hospital, in the 40th or in some kind of place she was lying. There, her son even attending her. The son, I do not know, was he a surgeon?
NAVIG: Surgeon.
VERDEN: In the 40th hospital of what city?
VK: In Sverdlovsk. She (Pelageya Ivanovna) got in the hospital with stones. And I went there, and even lived in the hospital for 2-3 days, I slept in the corridor on a couch.
PI: Prudkov son operated on me. Got out the stones from my kidney.
VERDEN: So you know him well?
PI: Yes. Acquaintances. Still, you know, they will come: "Call dad." They will come in surgery for free oepartion.
VK: Do you want a graphic plan for the hospital?
NAVIG: Where is the barbed wire, where was the pass?
VK: Give me that. I will ...
NAVIG: Because we do not understand.
VK: This is town. City of Ivdel, it is mostly down, around, on both sides is Ivdel river. This is Ivdel river. Here is the road to Gorodok (small city - ed. note). Here is Gorodok.
VERDEN: You do not know what happened to Yudin during the hike, why did he leave the trek?
PI: I do not know.
VERDEN: They did some kind of operation on him? Did you attend an operation of appendicitis? Did Prudkov operated him in the city? Was he operated on?
NAVIG: The letter says he was.
VERDEN: Do you remember Yudin? Do you know who Yudin is? It was the tenth hiker who did not go to the mountains. You wrote him a letter ....
PI: Well, I wrote, but I already forgot.
VK: There's a road here, near the road are the Headquarters. Here, from the Headquarters, the road goes to Vizhay. Right here opposite the polyclinic is a civil office.
TUAPSE: Was it all open to access?
VK: It's civil, it's open. This is the Zone.
NAVIG: Write there "Zone".
VK: Zone. The N-240 was then the Four.
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NAVIG: Was there a barb wire?
VK: Sure thing. A double fence even.
NAVIG: There were cons in general.
VK: So the zone, there was inner fence, and one outside.
NAVIG: Understandable.
VK: There was third zone on the street.
NAVIG: You mean, one more fence?
VK: Fence. There was a watch, too. And here is where the hospital was. I think there were several rooms there.
VERDEN: Have you ever been to the territory of the Zone?
VK: But what about. And not once was. Went there. There, Popov Aleksander Ivanovich is still working, doing X-rays. Radiologist. He is still working, his wife passed away, also a doctor. And in the Zone there are barracks, messroom, surgery, therapy. In Gorodok here, I abbreviated it, also residential buildings, polyclinic, there was a hotel and so on. Here, too, there was a civilian surgery, and a polyclinic for all those who worked in the institution. This is surgery.
NAVIG: Is it a road?
VK: It's the road from the river, Ivdel river. On the right side here is the city, and here it is all city.
TUAPSE: And this clinic for those who are in the Headquarters?
VK: Management, who works in institutions, Colony on Vizhay ...
NAVIG: Was there barbed wire here?
VK: No, why? It's civil ..
NAVIG: But they did not treat civilians?
VK: They treated civilians related to the work.
NAVIG: But not if you are kolhoznik.
VK: The city residents were treated in the city hospital. And here - only the people from the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Those who worked in the colonies, on the field ..., there was a whole system.
NAVIG: Morgue?
VK: Right here at the polyclinic, in the same district, here is the morgue. Here is how the road goes, the paths ... And this is the morgue, and this is the Institutions. Here is this hospital, civil, morgue. If the morgue was there it was also for the convicted.
NAVIG: Yes, there was a morgue in the zone?
VK: They were not kept there for a long time.
NAVIG: Well, was there a morgue there?
VK: Well, I guess there was.
NAVIG: No, well, because it says here, in the morgue of the N-240 autopsy was performed. Washed in same morgue.
TUAPSE: And this system belongs to N-240?
VK: You know, well, some logic, there should be some logic in all this ...
NAVIG: The report is there, see? They will not lie, it's a document.
VK: Wait, there should be some logic, I reckon. Why do it, you know, in the morgue, there are no conditions for perfom surgical operation. When next to it, you know, there is a surgical department in the zone. At night, take them there, do an autopsy, take them out. Where, no one will know. Or do ... well, it's unlikely, it was a fiction, so that someone would do an autopsy in the morgue.
NAVIG: This is a reference to Dyatlov group. We are only talking about Dyatlov group. And why, there is a table and it's done.
VK: So even the same Dyatlov group. Well, you need tables, some instruments.
NAVIG: Well, probably, they brought them there.
VK: If this is what Solomonovich said, maybe he could have known more, then ...
NAVIG: Yes, he does not state any facts, he just said it. You can not confirm anything.
VK: Did you talk to him?
NAVIG: Yes, on the phone. He said the autopsy was done there, but where he got this information is unknown. Yes, no one knows.
VK: I know because I lived there. Well, you know, in the city ..., there was this murmur that people died, that Mansi could have attacked them and so on. So, probably, it went on for a month. Then all this quieted down. But the fact is that if there was an autopsy done, one way or another, I would have known.
NAVIG: Here? (in the zone)
VK: Yes.
NAVIG: And why would you know? Because your wife worked there?
VK: Yes, I worked too, I was connected with everything, I ...
NAVIG: Did you come here? Did you had access to the zone?
VK: I came here, she worked here. Yes, she then worked in the zone again.
NAVIG: After that?
VK: Yes, she worked there for another 30 years or 40 in the zone.
NAVIG: Well, let's not be particularly interested in this.
VK: And we were good friends, greeted for the holidays and the Day of medicine, in this hospital with all doctors, medical personnel in this hospital, we always gathered in the clinic and spent the evenings.
Recording stopped.
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Forest Management Central Polyclinic: 1. Tzel Davydovna Schmidt - doctor; 2. Sara Mihaylovna Agisheva; 3. Ekaterina Vasilievna Evstigneeva - pediatrician; 4. Yosif Davydovich Prudkov - surgeon; 5. Evgeniy Ivanovich Tzaskin; 6. Anna Petrovna Taranova; 7. Filatova - doctor
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How many bodies were brought in Ivdel for autopsy - 9 or 11? (part 2)
© NGO "INTERNET CENTER of the Dyatlov group tragedy", 2008.

The text of the conversation of the "Center for Civil Investigation of the Dyatlov Pass tragedy" (NAVIG, Verden), Tuapse and others with the former nurse N-240 in 1959 Solter Pelageya Ivanovna and Victor Konstantinovich on the case of Dyatlov Pass incident 04-05 July 2008

The text is based on a video of the conversation.
Copyright for sound recording and this text have: Center for Civil Investigation of the Dyatlov Pass tragedy and Tuapse.
The text is recorded and edited by Verden, NAVIG and Tuapse.
 
VK: They were unloaded right here.
NAVIG: Did you see them? They were in what, in coffins or just like that?
VK: No, they were, they were just brought from ...
NAVIG: from the pass.
VK: They were brought from the airfield. And with a car, they are just so, you know, well, frozen, they pull them out, wrapped in blankets. I remember it now, blankets were blue.
NAVIG: In these? They had blankets there, on the Pass. They slept in them.
VK: Well, they could have used the same blankets to transport them. It's not necessarily the same blankets. Or maybe they were theirs.
NAVIG: Did you know Patrushev?
VK: Whom?
NAVIG: Pilot Patrushev? Gennadiy.
VK: No, I did not know him. There was a club opposite Dzerzhinsky's club. There were pilots, I knew one there.
NAVIG: There was Gzhatenko, I remember. Helicopter pilot, he died, crashed.
VK: No, he was an old pilot, he flew on these, U-2 or something like that.
NAVIG: AN-2.
VK: AN-2, I knew him. Now, he lived in Ivdel for a long time, even after he had already built a house. He lived there anyway.
VERDEN: But still it's unclear, was there a morgue in the zone?
VK: Well, I do not know where it is located, I just know that there was an solitary near the guardhouse in the corner for the colony. Isolator. That is, if you misbehave they put you in the solitary, from these barracks, there.
NAVIG: And if prisoners die, where did they put them? Did they bring them to this morgue?
VK: I'm telling you, no, how can they be brought in a civilian? No.
TUAPSE: Maybe they had their own (morgue) somewhere?
VK: They had their own, there was a morgue. They must have had, because if a prisoner dies, they keep him for a day or two and then bury. And that's all. Any hospital has a morgue somewhere probably. I can not draw you, I do not know where it was.
NAVIG: Well, it's clear that you didn't see it. Was the territory big?
VK: Well, the zone, I reckon, in meters, probably under 200 - length and width, probably 150 roughly, there was a colony. Well, meters 200-300, yes not 300, and all 400, probably, was. Well, something like this.
NAVIG: And in other places, 41 district, knew this? The Second North. There were also zones there.
VK: I know, the North ...
TUAPSE: What was in the Second North?
VK: So, Second North, now I'll draw. What do I know about the Second North. Well, you know from Ivdel the road went, as you may say ..., to a small town of urban type called "Polunochnoe" ...
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NAVIG: Well, it still exists.
VK: Polunochnoe. This is if Ivdel, let's say, from the Institution if you went to the colonies. The road goes like that, and after Polunochnoe, 7 kilometers further along the road is "Taloe". No, it's here, Taloe village is here.
NAVIG: turns to Solter: Did remember anything about Yudin?
VK: So after Polunochnoe First and Second North. The second North is about here. Well, on the road to the village, you know, there is an eating house, we always went there, went to the eating house, bought bread, general store, they had good supplies. The Second North. Here. And then the road went to the village "Shepichnoye", then went on, this is a colony. This is Shepichnoe. The Fourth, the Fifth are districts Colonies were colonies. In my opinion, here was the 7th district, in my opinion. Further Burmantovo, also a large settlement, further this colony was, Vizhay, more colonies, three or four colonies. There were also three or four colonies here. Settlements. Like this.
TUAPSE: And what was in the Second North?
VK: Second North, Second North was that ... They had a big quarry, you know, they got there manganese ore. There were big careers here, you know ...
NAVIG: Were there prisoners there?
VK: No, thеre were not. Here, then the Second North. Here the were the stone mountains, you see. Well, there were rocks, all the dumps, because this is a huge pit, probably a kilometer in diameter, and trucks were moving roundabout here ... And the Second North here was this settlement here. That's the village on this side, all here are houses. Here. Here is the quarry, here was still, you know a workshop, the crushing workshop № ... The workshop crushed the stone. Well, and then from here, probably, from the Second, probably, they went, there the road is there to the ridge.
NAVIG: And where's the 41st site? They went to the 41st after that. What is it?
VK: Well, I do not know.
NAVIG: Logging , probably some kind?
VK: Probably, too, because, you know, they had careers earlier small, probably this was the 41st district.
NAVIG: They reached the Second Northern, and Yudin turned back, and they went into the forest. And Yudin took the stones here. So 41st was here right here?
VK: Maybe there was a quarry here, maybe this one they called, an old abandoned quarry. We went there to pick mushrooms.
VERDEN: What did geologists do there, why did geologists live there? Where were they aniway - on the Second North or on the 41st, where is it?
VK: The Second North is a whole ..., it was a big settlement.
VERDEN: What did geologists do there in the winter?
VK: Well, what did they do? Firstly, they drilled in the winter ...
VERDEN: They drilled in the winter?
VK: Yes. They, for example, in the summer they went to the ridge there. Let's say, here's the Polunochnoe, then the roads to the ridge, everywhere the roads were there.
NAVIG: And what are the cores? You know?
NAVIG: Cores from geologists - what is that? They extract them in the winter for some reason. There is a report from a geologist who went there to take dirt samples and saw strangers on the Pass. So, what are these cores for geologists? Maybe it's an instrument, or something?
VK: A, cores ... I'm telling you again, here they are, they have this road everywhere ..., then the road there, everyone went to the ridge, we went there for mushrooms, we often made our way by car, the ridge was going like that.
NAVIG: The Urals?
VK: The Urals range.
NAVIG: It's called Poyasovoy kamen (means Waistband stone - ed. note)
VK: We went there, and often I, you know, spent the weekend in the woods. I was getting to Polunochnoe, not as far as Taloe, there was the military checkpoint here.
NAVIG: So there were military there?
VK: No. Given that there is a colony here, you see, from the military unit 6602, in my opinion, here it was, the checkpoint here. Then you know what, well, for security reasons, to catch convicts. Little did they make a check in the morning, and he ran away in the afternoon. During this time you could leave by car, and then the cars were checked here. And this checkpoint checked everyone. And here from this checkpoint was the road, there, up. I walked mostly along this road, mountains were already beginning here, I gathered cranberries here on these mountains, at the foothills.
VERDEN: And here was no checkpoint of some kind? There was not any checkpoint on this stretch from the Second North?
VK: Well, here, I'm telling you ...
VERDEN: Here you drew Polunochnoe ...
VK: No, it's not Polunochnoe, for Taloe, it's for Taloe, there can be kilometers, well, from Taloe 6 or 7 kilometers there was a checkpoint.
VERDEN: So there's a checkpoint between Taloe and Polunochnoe here, right?
VK: Yes-yes-yes.
VERDEN: And here?
VK: And then Taloe, that's why here Taloe is called, there Taloe river flowed. It goes down that way. Maninskoe lake there. Maninskoe lake was big. And this river took from there from the upper reaches and flowed there.
NAVIG: What about the cores, we forgot the cores ...
VK: A, the cores. You know, they had certain places. Let's say that they are drilling, there is a truck, say, on the road here, and the drilling machine is standing here somewhere. And these are all these, these are those that are extracted from the pipes, they are picked up afterwards, and then they are put here in boxes. In such boxes, let's say, stand here, just like this. These are all the samples from the pipes. Here. They lay here. And then they are taken to certain places, and then they are taken from there, these are the cores that are taken away somewhere.
TUAPSE: And what's the point of bringing them somewhere?
VERDEN: Soil?
VK: No soil, stones. There and pyrite and all possible minerals. Everything is there. To study, that's here.
VERDEN: So a core is a drill that drills this stone and takes a sample?
VK: Well, you know, this drilling technology must be known. Drilling machine, this is such, maybe 200 meters deep pipes, and the soil at a depth of 200 meters to take a sample. And then they take the whole thing upwards, put it in boxes in certain places, along the road they have warehouses for them. And then they take ...
TUAPSE: Does the box consist of several compartments?
VK: Well, different, there even the date is written, when, what, depth. There, in order to analyze these samples, you need to know where this well is located. It's getting cold, we had a settlement there, there was a geological prospecting expedition, people lived there. And there was a laboratory, I had acquaintances from this laboratory.
VERDEN: Was there a laboratory in the village of Northern?
VK: Not on the North, Second Ivdel, no ..., yes, Second Ivdel, Second Ivdel village.
VERDEN: There was such a settlement there, Ivdel-2? Or was it called Second Ivdel?
VK: Second Ivdel. The first Ivdel, this is when we come to the city, and then if you go 5 kilometers, the is Second North, there is a settlement, a settlement of geologists.
VERDEN: And these core samples they were made in certain places? Or just someone collected them on the road? Was there a truck that picked them up?
VK: They have their own system there, they know where to lay, what, where ... Well, let's say, the drill station is here, they have repository nearby, they cover with felt to prevent moisture from entering there, and there are the boxes ... and in these boxes, there are a lot of them there, probably about 100 pieces out there of these core samples.
NAVIG: Well, they can take them in the winter, right?
VK: In the winter they sometimes lie there in the summer ...
NAVIG: Could that be on the ridge?
VERDEN: How often did they get there?
VK: I went for mushrooms, sometimes I see, I look at this warehouse.
NAVIG: Near the ridge can there be such sample cores?
VK: No, near the ridge ..., and maybe they were.
TUAPSE: How are they going to drive there?
NAVIG: Why drive, they're on foot. They were dropped by a helicopter.
VK: The roads are going around, these are the roads.
TUAPSE: And drilling?
NAVIG: So in the summer they drill, and in the winter he went to take pictures.
VK: Listen, here's what I drew for you, here along this road, here is the Second Northern, in the same place once the establishment of the N-240 chopped down the forest, there are solid roads, the road goes up to the ridge. And the roads are so good that you can go there and geologists get there, drilling works are carried out. Then these stumps, which were harvested by loggers, after 3-4 years or 5 years later, they are hoisted and taken to the city, then unloaded, in my opinion, very good varnishes are made of them and a lot of materials are made. Osmol was called, osmol took care of their own. So there were roads everywhere, there in this area. I heard that there, somewhere in Burmantovo or nearby, that there to the ridge, there seems to be some military unit, a small one.
NAVIG: About Chistop, there is a word going around that there was some kind of radar station or something like that.
VK: Yes-yes-yes, there was.
NAVIG: In the year 59, in my opinion, it was not there.
TUAPSE: At what time was this small unit there?
NAVIG: Was it in 59?
VK: Look, Burmantovo, then we went even further along the road to one mountain, there were another 10-15 kilometers, there was a mountainous area, at the foothills already, and there was such a road, I was thinking, who is this for, such a beautiful road, very well paved. Such a big road, it must have be going somewhere, probably.
NAVIG: What year was this?
VK: Well, that's already, you know, much later.
NAVIG: And this is another question, when the civilians arrived in Ivdel, this was the area of Ivdellag, did they have to registered mandatory? For example, hikers? Or in general, so if I came there, I had to register, right? For the local it is not necessary, but for an outsider?
VK: In the city there is such a situation that hikers who come are obliged to register.
NAVIG: What kind of organization was that, what kind of unit, KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs or prison security?
VK: You know, this is just how it was.
NAVIG: No, but what's there a checkpoint where to register?
VERDEN: In the cityhall, in some kind of administration?
VK: Well, that was a problem of the city.
NAVIG: In the city, right?
VK: In the city, yes. Previously, there was a Part committee. And there even was a representative of the KGB.
NAVIG: And when one leaves, he too must check his registration on the way out, right?
VK: Well, about this registration ...
NAVIG: Yudin says they did not register.
VK: They did not register.
NAVIG: Because otherwise he had to withdraw from the registration when he went back.
VK: I even heard that when there was party committee in the city, it seemed like it was forbidden to visit these places in this region.
NAVIG: Yes, exactly.
Recording stopped.
P.I. Solter reads Chernobrov publication in the background.
PI: I'm Pelageya Ivanovna, but he calls me Maria.
TUAPSE: Here you said about Buyanov that he was very interested, but who else was interested in this whole case?
VK: What now?
NAVIG: Who else was interested in what you have to say?
VK: Oh, well, Yudin wrote a letter to me first. Well, the first one I answer it. I just did not want to deal with all this scribbling, I was even pissed that I, what source am I? I am in the deep and do not know these events. What I heard as rumors, I wrote to him. So, he must find, that's the way, whether he has friends, comrades, who are better acquainted with whole thing.
TUAPSE: And Yudin was interested?
NAVIG: Yudin was there.
VK: I also, you know, I was somewhat connected with Sverdlovsk, I worked as a senior inspector of the state forest inspection of Sovivdelles (Soviet Ivdel Forrest - ed. note), lived in Ivdel, in the Northern Urals. But often I came to Sverdlovsk, I had a certificate from the Regional Party Committee. So, we went to inspect large enterprises, consumers, even large factories, metallurgical plants in Magnitogorsk, Sverdlovsk, everywhere Lespromhozes (Forrest Management Sectors - ed. note), docks were checked. But we had a certificate, besides our tasks, let's say, a reminder that we should reflect in the acts of inspections, the Regional Committee of People's Control gave us these tasks. We had to report 12 checkpoints. So I…
NAVIG: Strauh says that there was the Sosvinsky Reserve, there was a training ground. It's higher up there ...
VK: Maybe there was. What was it called again?
NAVIG: Sosvinsky Reserve, this is on the border with the Tyumen region, in my opinion.
VK: I'm convinced that ...
NAVIG: And if there was a test range, then missiles flew there.
VK: I'm convinced that this is some kind of technogenic, let's say, accident.
NAVIG: There are no traces of explosion. There is no explosion, there are no pits.
VK: The explosion maybe not so evident, the explosion can be air above the ground.
NAVIG: Then their limbs would be broken, they would be thrown back, hit, arms and legs would break. Bodies would be scattered around.
VK: How do you know what happened, and how the bodies were found? Don't you think there could be some staging? Do you know where and how were they killed?
NAVIG: This one had his skull caved in - clearly from a blow with a butt. The bone here was pressed into the skull to a depth of 2 cm, this force must be huge.
VK: This is a terrible secret. I can not even imagine. I have heard what beautiful people they were. Women see here, in my opinion, one of them Dubinina, she - an only daughter of her parents. Father, they say, was so solid. And Dyatlov himself, you see.
TUAPSE: Do you know anything about their past? Maybe something you heard somewhere?
VK: Absolutely nothing, these are students. How can we know?
TUAPSE: Well, you never know, rumors?
VK: No, no, there's something doubtful in what they say about Zolotaryov.
NAVIG: Well, no one knows who he is, and where is he from. But there are rumors. He went allegedly to get a master of sports.
VK: Listen, I imagine that there were twigs on the ground, you see, if it is a brushwood, it will be dry. You could, you know, start a fire, and not climb, but there were fragments of branches of the tree. Birches are cut, small birches. There grев birch, aspen. And they like, they tried to cut this with a knife. Why didn't they see around, you know, that there was brushwood laying around them.
NAVIG: Тhey cut branches to make the flooring. There was a stream there, a ravine, they made a den there. They found the rest in May.
VK: A, flooring, well, maybe flooring ...
NAVIG: From cut branches ...
VK: From the spruce here with this from the conifer?
NAVIG: Yes. The tops were severed. Yudin shows photos, and there are severed. And who cut them down is not clear.
VK: And what did they cut them down with?
NAVIG: With an ax, of course, what else. So there were outsiders. Some kind of strangers.
VK: Listen, aren't there ranks that do just that - clean and tie up loose ends. If there was something, they could just clean everything up and hide it somewhere in general. Not leave a trace knowing that they will be an extensive search and so on. This is unreasonable.
NAVIG: Maybe be they were in a hurry?
VERDEN: Maybe it wasn't on that level at all.
VK: Why hurry?
NAVIG: Why hurry? So searches have already begun on February, 12th. They had to come back by the 12th. If they don't show by the 12th, a civil search will begin. And they were discovered much later. When their accident occurred or whatever it was.
VERDEN: Pelageya Ivanovna, why did you say here that the corpses were not nine, but eleven? Is it true?
PI: Of course it's true, if I wrote it.
VERDEN: Why not nine but eleven, don't you remember you said that? Why were there eleven corpses?
NAVIG: So, what's written there, that's it?
PI: Well, I only wrote the truth.
TUAPSE: And why eleven?
VK: Before I write something, it was necessary to give me a note. It must have been writen somewhere.
VERDEN: Do you think there could be eleven corpses?
VK: How could there be eleven, Yudin's alive, well, listen, will he let his comrades down?
NAVIG: Well, maybe there were outsiders.
VERDEN: There could be outsiders.
NAVIG: They could have been killed there, too. If counterintelligence was involved, then anything is possible.
VK: But if they went up there on skis, you understand the whole thing, clothes, there was some kind of unidentified clothing there, Yudin, but maybe he couldn't recognize it.
NAVIG: There broken skis, there were pieces of film. They did not take the film.
VK: No, are you sure they didn't take the film?
NAVIG: The film, and there were pieces of film.
VK: When they were preparing a place for the tent in the snow, they photographed the first frame.
NAVIG: The films were in the cameras, and that was in the snow, it was found later. It's in the protocol.
VK: I heard there was a circle metal part there.
NAVIG: That's much later. From the S-200, the rocket. That could have fallen afterwards.
VERDEN: Pelageya Ivanovna, why did you say after all that there were eleven corpses?
VK: No, maybe she forgot.
VERDEN: But there is even a clarification there that the corpses were not nine, but eleven.
TUAPSE: And that it's written in some kind of article.
VK: Who, where is it written?
VERDEN: Well, that's what Chernobrov wrote.
VK: She (Pelageya Ivanovna - ed. note), you know, she was already coming to Leningrad. I came earlier, and there was a member of the Komsomol and journalist on the train. They started talking, sat into the same compartment, and she (Pelageya Ivanovna - ed. note) told them that they were eleven. Maybe her memory was already going astray. That's the problem.
VERDEN: And what year was it?
VK: It was probably already in 1999 or 2000. I arrived, in my opinion, in 1998, and she remained there for a while. And there she said to them something in the compartment which I don't know whether it's true or not.
VERDEN: And do you know someone in Ivdel, who in those days, could have anything to do with this matter? Transportation of corpses. Maybe you remember someone who lives in Ivdel. A truck driver, some orderlies?
VK: Well, at that time, why did I need to know about this? Now question are raised, who, whom, what. To find a catch. At that time, we absolutely went on with our lifes and an event like this, something happened, then everything died down. Years have passed.
VERDEN: Well, you know the whole system, who could be responsible for the removal and transportation of corpses, for example. Well, you had some kind of transport there, the head of the transport department.
VK: Well, to take out corpses from the scene, must be by helicopters. Helicopters were always ordered by the Institution. There was an enterprise, an Ivdel airline, there were always requested. I was even flying on a helicopter, I flew by helicopter to do my job.
TUAPSE: Was it a civilian enterprise or a military one, where helicopters were requested?
VK: No, these are civil aviation enterprises, well, the airport.
TUAPSE: And what about civil helicopters?
VK: Yes, civilian helicopters. And the Institution sometimes rented them. If it was necessary to transfer cargo or something, somewhere. Geologists often rented them...
TUAPSE: Did the institution have its own helicopters, its aviation?
VK: No, they didn't.
VERDEN: And what did they have, any kind of transport? Were there cars?
VK: Sure. There were a lot of cars.
VERDEN: If they were sent by train, as in one version, they (corpses) should have been driven by a car.
VK: We had motorbikes, and boats on Lozva river. If somebody escaped, there were boats on the river. There was the motor depot, and they had their own vehicles. This was an large enterprise, the N-240/2.
NAVIG: You have to write here your name Pelageya Ivanovna and sign.
VERDEN: Is this Pelageya Ivanovna?
VK: Yes, that she is.
VERDEN: And where is she? In Ivdel? What year is that?
VK: One minute, let me bring the photo album.
NAVIG: And here's a gynecologist, what was her name? You were there. She was with Sharonin.
PI: A woman who worked in a free hospital, Taranova Anna Petrovna.
NAVIG: Was she also at the washout?
TUAPSE: We are talking about the free free clinic.
NAVIG: Well, she (Pelageya Ivanovna - ed. note) was there with her and Prudkov. Here is a letter, where she (Pelageya Ivanovna - ed. note) wrote about it.
PI: She (Taranova Anna Petrovna - ed. note) worked in the free clinic.
NAVIG: Was she ... was she present with Prudkov.
PI: We worked in the zone, and she worked in a free clinic. In the zone only men were allowed, not women. So Anna Petrovna did not work with us in the zone, but in a free clinic. But she knows everything, I don't know if she's alive or not.
NAVIG: She didn't work, but she was present at the morgue.
VERDEN: And why was she in the morgue?
NAVIG: So the morgue was not in the zone.
TUAPSE: I still don't understand this division to the end.
VERDEN: I don't understand either.
NAVIG: No, why, it's for a citizen anyway, but here there were convicts already.
TUAPSE: Here is for prisoners, here is for civilians, here is partially for civilians.
NAVIG: No, there were prisoners here. How can you enter here, if there are prisoners.
VERDEN: Why did you need a gynecologist?
VK: Convicts were treated separately, but it's possible with civilians.
PI: They called out how the commission was.
VERDEN: Oh, just like the members of the commission some, huh?
PI: Yes, yes. And this is me, this is my office, I was dealing with the systems.
VK: This is the surgical department at a different times.
TUAPSE: Ivdel?
VK: Well, of course, she worked here, Mary Ivanovna. These are all the doctors here.
TUAPSE: And who's this in the middle?
VK: That's Prudkov. And all the medics.
PI: That's Prudkov, that's the Head nurse. And this is Tsel Davydovna, a doctor.
VERDEN: Do you know if any of these doctors still live in Ivdel?
VK: Yes, take the photos with you.
NAVIG: Are you sure?
VK: Yes, of course.
NAVIG: Great!
PI: And this is Tsaskin Aleksander Evgenievich. He was a gynecologist.
VK: This is Savenkov, the Director if the hospital.
VERDEN: This was a free hospital, right?
VK: Yes, free. This is the wife of the Head of the department of the Institution, she was the wife of this one here ...
PI: Ivanova.
VK: Ivanova Valentina Ivanovich.
PI: She was a doctor. And this is Tsaskin Aleksander Evgenievich.
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Forest Management Central Polyclinic: 1. Sara Mihaylovna Agisheva; 2. Yosif Davydovich Prudkov - surgeon; 3. Evgeniy Ivanovich Tzaskin; 4. Savenkov - Head of Ivdel hospital; 5. Anna Petrovna Taranova; 6. Ekaterina Vasilievna Evstigneeva - pediatrician; 7. Tsel Davydovna Schmidt - doctor; 8. Filatova - doctor
VK: These are already doctors in the zone here. Here is Sharonin ...
NAVIG: Who, the one with the glasses?
VK: Yes.
NAVIG: Sharonin.
VK: Here, Mary Ivanovna, you see, she is looking sideways.
NAVIG: Where? That's her?
VK: Yes.
VERDEN: But this is the zone, it's the hospital in the zone, right?
VK: This is a hospital in the zone, but here she is, Mary Ivanovna.
VERDEN: Tell me, do you know if any of these people are alive? Could they know something, for example?
VK: Well, this one is probably alive. Nurses are probably alive. Here is Pronovozova, she's still alive.
VERDEN: Yes? What's her name?
VK: Pronozova. Here she is, she is a Head nurse, a war veteran.
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1. Yosif Davydovich Prudkov - surgeon; 2. Aleksandra Ivanovna Pronozova - head nurse, war veteran; 3. Evgeniy Ivanovich Tzaskin; 4. Anna Petrovna Taranova
NAVIG: In Ivdel?
VK: Yes, she lives in Ivdel, still alive.
VERDEN: What's her name?
VK: She was a Head nurse in the zone.
PI: Aleksandra Ivanovna.
VERDEN: What's her name?
PI: Aleksandra Ivanovna Pronozova.
VK: She was in the free clinic at the time.
NAVIG: Do you have a phone or an address for her?
VK: No.
VERDEN: And she had something to do with this story? Well, she could have, right?
VK: Well, maybe she knows something. She's an old worker.
PI: She's from Ivdel, she would know.
VK: She worked as a civilian, she worked in the free clinic, and then she moved there. Because the pay was better.
VERDEN: She's even born in Ivdel, right?
VK: Yes, from Ivdel. A lot of them lived there.
VERDEN: And can there be anybody else? Or maybe someone else is alive, people in all are not so old in the photo.
VK: Well, this is Dr. Schmidt, this is Tsel Davydovna, she's gone now. Here it is Anya Molostova, she was our neighbor.
VERDEN: And Sharonin is dead, right?
PI: Yes. Long dead.
VK: Here I can clearly see Pronozova.
PI: Well Pronozova is still alive. She lives in the small town there.
VERDEN: In town? She lives in the town.
VK: This is what you should do.
VERDEN: We'll try.
NAVIG: We did not know, now we know.
PI: This is Elvira Andreevna, still alive, and her daughter Lisa.
VERDEN: What's her name?
VK: She is also alive, Elvira.
VERDEN: Does Elvira Andreevna have a surname?
VK: Now, one minute. Simon, in my opinion.
VERDEN: Simon?
PI: Simon? No no. What was her name ...
VK: Elvira Andreevna even wrote letters to us, there are somewhere here.
VERDEN: Maybe you have some envelope with an address? Maybe we should contact her, too?
VK: I 'll look for envelopes. Well, you see, here ...
PI: There are probably still alive too ...
PI: This is Borsch Lisa.
NAVIG: Mary Ivanovna, I mean Pelageya Ivanovna.
VERDEN: And what's her name, Borsch?
PI: Borsch Elvira.
VERDEN: How is it spelled?
PI: Lisa Borsch.
VERDEN: Is this a zone hospital?
PI: Yes. And this is Valentina, I forgot how ... She lived beyond the river.
PI: This is our hosting nurse. Her name was German, I think.
VERDEN: By the way, did the hosting nurse have anything to do with this matter?
VK: Well, probably, they are alive. I dont know. Here is Taranova Anna Petrovna. She lives in Sverdlovsk, she just recently moved. She is alive, we even have her phone number.
NAVIG: Yes, can we have it.
VK: Gynecologist.
VK: There she was, she was a young doctor.
VERDEN: This one?
VK: Yes.
PI: Doctor-gynecologist.
VERDEN: Was she present at the autopsy? Good…
NAVIG: Not at the autopsy, but at the wash.
VERDEN: And in general, in St. Petersburg, no one has moved from your friends? Is there no one else here?
VK: You know, well there was Sichkar who worked somewhere in some neurological center or in some place Sichkar, a doctor. He spent 3 years in Ivdel, and after the Institute came here, he lives here.
VERDEN: Did he have anything to do with the Dyatlov case?
VK: How should I know, I don't know.
NAVIG: We are only interested in this aspect.
VK: Well, doctor, Taranova, now I'll look, let me get up. Photos of the dead, washed them there, stored? She (Pelageya Ivanovna - ed. note) only has an opinion, there is noway she could know, and I heard that they were put in the coffins immediately. But it turns out, they, you see, did the autopsy there. And if they did, then must be in the zone, because ...
VERDEN: You know, the rumor could have appeared by mistake. That is, there is a certain level of personnel who knows that the corpses will be sent to Sverdlovsk. And that's all that matters for them, because their work is done. Then comes the second round, which knows that the corpses will not be sent right away, something like that.
VK: And they could have done an autopsy in the surgical department of the zone.
VERDEN: Of course, they could have come from the small town here in the zone and perform an autopsy. And people thought that they were taken to Sverdlovsk.
PI: They had everything handy, everybody knew.
VK: So an ambulance, not one, but it was ambulance, loaded the corpses, drove to the zone, and did it right there.
VERDEN: Well yes, an ambulance could have shuttled between the small town and the zone.
VK: No, not there, but next to the zone.
NAVIG: No, wait, the fact is that Pelageya Ivanovna says that they changed their clothes into new clothes. So did they take off their clothes for examination again? She (Pelageya Ivanovna - ed. note) can not confirm this, because she has forgotten it already.
TUAPSE: And what rumors, what kind of talk was there in the city after this accident?
VERDEN: Yes, what did people say, what were the rumors?
VK: First in the city, you know what, there were rumors that they were dead, here and there...
VERDEN: And from what?
VK: Well, they were saying that an autopsy will be performed to determine in what condition they would be. They said that Mansi must have attacked them. Because the tent was cut, you know.
VERDEN: Were there any reasons for the population to think that the Mansi did it? Did Mansi generally had a habit of attacking civilians? Were there similar cases?
VK: No, Mansi, in my opinion, are unlikely to attack.
VERDEN: So you've never heard?
VK: Although they say that there they had a sacred mountain, where is not allowed ...
VERDEN: And there were no cases of attacks on geologists, there, or someone else?
VK: No, there were not.
NAVIG: Let's continue with the rumors.
VK: Ok. 300 kilometers from Ivdel there is a Mansi village. There, not far from the village, the administration of the Ivdel district built them a new settlement, so this nationality, doesn't perish completely. To help them sustain.
VERDEN: Hence the rumors. Besides the Mansi, what other rumors did you hear?
VK: Well, these rumors, they are such a benevolent people, if you visit them, you know, they give you what they have, help you what they can.
NAVIG: And rumors about the Dyatlov group?
VK: Well, nobody mentioned back then a landslide or some kind of shaft, there was no hurricane. Everybody said that must be rockets.
VERDEN: Why did people think that they were rockets? Why didn't they think that was an avalanche?
VK: Because an avalanche, who knows these mountains, especially, well, I understand the hurricane, such a hurricane can exist. Well, there are hurricanes that can raise a tractor, and throw it ...
VK: It so happened that, I think I even heard that there was an atomic bomb near the mountains, they even tested it.
VERDEN: So, there were such rumors at the time?
VK: Yes, there were such rumors that even the radiation increased in Ivdel. Yes, and no one has published any information about this in the newspaper. The background could be published to people. Although this was all hidden. Radiation background.
NAVIG: Now, I would like to, Pelageya Ivanovna ... All the same, you dressed them in clothes?
PI: Well, I was dressing them, I had some help.
TUAPSE: And who helped?
VERDEN: And how did you dress them? They were corpses, how did you dress them? You cut the suit on theback, how do you dress a corpse?
PI: First on the head, hands, and then pull them down, pants.
TUAPSE: And who helped you?
VK: Yes, there could and should be nurses.
VERDEN: Who helped?
VK: Who, some authorized people, could have been?
PI: Orderlies maybe, I have forgotten already.
VERDEN: You couldn't have been dressing them yourself? It's probably hard to put something on a corpse.
VK: Well, of course, you can imagine.
NAVIG: If they were dressed, then why do this?
VERDEN: This doesn't make any sense at all.
End of recording.
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Victor Konstantinovich and Pelageya Ivanovna Solter at the time of the interview in Saint Petersburg July 5, 2008
The text is based on a video of the conversation.
Copyright for sound recording and this text have: Center for Civil Investigation of the Dyatlov Pass tragedy and Tuapse.
The text is recorded and edited by Verden, NAVIG and Tuapse.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ivdellag breaks in 1959
The cooperation with the prosecutor's office, which began in September last year, made us look somewhat differently at the materials of the criminal case on the death of a group of hikers led by Igor Dyatlov in the Urals in the winter of 1959.
We decided to try not to focus our opinion on riddles, but to try to find a simple and logical explanation for them.
The writer Oleg Arhipov found and studied the archives of the investigator Korotaev, and one document attracted particularly close attention.
We are talking about the note of the Prosecutor Tempalov.
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Tempalov's memo addressed to Korotaev and dated 15.II.59
Instructions in this memo are not only to attend the trial in the case of Adam Reeb (and it was this fact that helped us figure out the true date of writing the note), but also a request to interrogate the head of the lag department Hakimov.
"In addition, on the instructions of the regional prosecutor to interrogate the chief of the logging branch of Vizhay Hakimovwhether the leader of the hikers group (who died) said that they will return to Vizhay not on 12.II. 59 but 15.II.59."
An examination carried out by the prosecutor's office established that this particular issue was the most important for Tempalov at the time of writing the note, and he continued to think about February and the deceased group, reflexively putting down the same dates further.
And if this issue was so important for the prosecutor, it means that it deserves our close attention.
Moreover, now many researchers of the mystery pose a legitimate question: "If there was an order to interrogate Hakimov, then why is there no protocol of his interrogation in the materials of the Criminal case?"
Hakimov Zakiy Gasimovich, born in 1923, participant in the Second World War, member of the CPSU, was a career soldier and was the head of the 8th camp department located in the village of Vizhay.
It was from Vizhay that the Dyatlov group went on their last trek and had to return there, notifying the Sports club with a telegram about the end of the expedition.
It is quite natural that when the group did not return at the appointed time, the first thing they did was call Vizhay.
What if you forgot to send a telegram or the mail was closed?
Gordo's testimony:
"Blinov, a member of the hiking section bureau, told me that the Dyatlov group would return to Vizhay on about February 14-15, 1959, allegedly Yudin, who was also part of Dyatlov's group, had said so, when he returned due to illness on the way.
Therefore, the Sports club started looking into the reason for the non-return of the hikers from the Dyatlov group only after February 15, 1959...
Searchers were not sent on February 16 this year because we got through to Vizhay only on the night of February 17...
On February 18 he called Vizhay again.
I was told that a group of the local population was getting ready, and that they saw a group of hikers."
Lev Semyonovich Gordo, the chairman of the UPI sports club, seems to be justifying himself before the investigation why the search was not started on February 16.
He makes it clear that Vizhay has taken the lead.
Gordo does not name Hakimov, but can such issues be resolved without the participation of the head of the log department, who controls the settlement?
However, calls to Vizhay did not bring the expected result and Lev Semyonovich, together with Yuri Blinov, a friend of Igor Dyatlov, fly to location on the morning of February 20.
Oddly enough, but it was precisely on the phrase "on the morning of February 20 of this year that Blinov and I flew to Ivdel." where the interrogation of Lev Semyonovich was interrupted.
Yuri Blinov was not interrogated at all.
The next to arrive in Vizhay on February 22 is a group of students led by Boris Slobtsov.
In the memoirs of Boris Slobtsov there is a story about the capture of fugitive prisoners, which gave rise to a number of versions associated with gulag convicts, aka zeks.
But there really was an escape!
In the State Archives, they managed to find a book of escape registration for 1959, from which it follows that on February 19, a group of three prisoners escaped immediately after Gordo called Vizhay.
They will only be caught on February 21, when Gordo and Blinov were already there.
Does thsi have something to do with why the investigation doesn't ask them what exactly happened on the spot at that period?
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There should have been a large-scale search not for the Dyatlov group, but escaped convicts.
After all, this is exactly what is included in the direct responsibilities of the colony leadership.
And you can be sure that in accordance with the instructions, having notified Moscow about the group escape that took place, they deployed the search headquarters, informed the secretary of the Party Committee of the Party, police, transport police, interviewed the local population, geologists, flew around the territory, looked for and analyzed all tracks.
And, for sure, they were happy when the search was successfully completed on February 21.
Prosecutor Tempalov's interrogation protocol:
"On February 21, 1959 I learned from the Secretary of the Ivdel CC CPSU comrade Prodanov that a group of nine hikers did not return to the Polytechnic Institute from a trip to Sverdlovsk."
On February 21, the final meeting of the headquarters of the search for the escaped convicts was supposed to take place and it was at this moment that the Prosecutor Tempalov first learned about the disappearance of the Dyatlov group.
On February 23, the Slobtsov group is flown to Otorten.
Who decides that a group of students should be dropped off there?
After all, both Evgeniy Maslennikov and Colonel Ortyukov, who led the subsequent searches, are still in Sverdlovsk, and there is just a discussion about how to conduct the search operation.
On February 21, Maslennikov still thinks "that one of the participants could have injured his leg, and the group had to help the hiker, which is slowing their movement.
Or that one of the hikers fell ill with the flu and the whole group was sitting in a secluded place."
On February 23, a meeting at the UPI is just gathering and there is "a discussion about the details of the preparation of the group, about the route, about what, in my opinion, could have happened with the group and about my considerations for organizing the search."
Maslennikov compares the search area with the territory of Belgium and suggests sending several groups along the entire Dyatlov route, and the Slobtsov group is already just a few kilometers from the site of the tragedy.
But the Slobtsov group was the only group of students with whom two more local people went in search: the head of the fire department of the same log camp, an experienced hunter Aleksey Cheglakov and a forester of Vizhay Ivan Vasilyevich Pashin.
Cheglakov's testimony:
"on the orders of the Chief of the logging branch Hakimov, together with the forester Ivan Pashin I flew by helicopter to the site of the death of a group of hikers near Mount Otorten."
Much later, Mihail Sharavin, who happened to find a tent on the slope, analyzing the events of those days, came to the conclusion that the forester Pashin sent them to the tent, and he himself remained to wait aside.
And this feeling is confirmed in the materials of the criminal case.
All students are sure that the tent was found on the 4th day of the search, February 26, but Pashin and Cheglakov assure that they found the tent earlier, on the second day of the search.
Cheglakov's testimony:
"On the second day we found the tent of the hikers which was located in the upper reaches of rivers Auspiya and Lozva at the height of the mountain Verhuspiya.
It was badly drifted by snow. We did not go inside."
Pashin's testimony:
"On the first day of the search, once descended into the Auspiya we found ski tracks from the hikers.
Here we pitched a tent, spend the night, divided into three groups and went to look for the hikers, as a result of the search we found a tent with belongings that was not clearly seen since it was covered with snow, we did not go into the tent.
The tent was found in the upper sources of Auspiya and Lozva at the height of the mountain Verhuspiya."
One can suspect that they were "lost" in the days of searching.
But in order to dispel these doubts, both emphasize that if the tent was discovered on the second day (at Pashin's - after the first overnight stay), then the first bodies were discovered on the fifth day of the search.
"On the fifth day of our search we found 4 bodies covered with snow and on this day we were taken back home with helicopter to the village of Vizhay." (Pashin)
Cheglakov and Pashin assure that "they did go inside" the tent. But should they have tried to look into it?
After all, the entrance withstood.
This is not very convenient to do, especially when it is dark in the tent, but you can always try to shine a flashlight?
And turn it off after that, because during the day it is not needed outside, and then accidentally forget it on the top.
And then there will be snow under it, and above it there will be a little snow, which was swept in several days, until the students "found" the tent.
The flashlight will work, since it has not been in the cold for a month, but only for a few days and the batteries would not have time to discharge.
Tempalov does not mention the flashlight in the protocol on the discovery of the campsite, although he was obliged.
Maybe because Cheglakov and Pashin confessed to him that it was their flashlight?
Maybe this explains the fact that Tempalov does not show much interest in inspecting the tent, knowing that since the tragedy many have already visited and examined it, which means the scene has been contaminated?
Ivdel is a small town, whose life is closely connected with the life of the gulag, and the escape of the prisoners was an important and unpleasant event.
What if we assume that during the break, the convicts stumbled upon the scene of the tragedy and, fearing that the deaths of people could be associated with them, chose to surrender?
Boris Slobtsov says that the escapees surrendered themselves.
And then the local leadership, knowing the approximate area of ​​the tragedy, directed their people to assess the situation and try to keep the situation under control.
But all this happens in February, and the need to interrogate Hakimov arises in April, two months later.
The memo states the purpose of the interrogation:
"whether the leader of the hikers group (who died) said that they will return to Vizhay not on 12.II. 59 but 15.II.59."
This means that the investigation is concerned not so much with the organization of the searches but when it started.
On April 14, a few days before the memo was written, the parents of the deceased hikers sharply speak out against the institute and sports organizations.
Rustem Slobodin's father:
"Knowing that Dyatlov’s group had to return on February 13th, after this period I called the sports club at UPI...
The search for the group began 18 days after the disaster, and the place of death was found only 26 days after the accident that caused the death.
Obviously, with such a time frame and pace of carrying out measures to find the group, it was impossible to count on the provision of assistance and the rescue of any of its participants."
Aleksander Kolevatov's sister:
"I then called the city sports club comrade Ufimtsev.
He assured me that there is nothing to worry about, that the group is delayed for a week and they are on their way back.
A certain fact is indignant and criminal: Gordo informed UPI party committee that a telegram had been received from Vizhay on February 18 reporting a delay of the group."
Lyuda Dubinina's father:
"These soulless and heartless leaders didn't express any concern for the fate of the group 8 days after the planned return date to Vizhay (12/II) and started looking for the group only after the intervention of the CPSU Regional Committee, namely 21/II."
In a telegram addressed to Khrushchev says the same:
"Search began late only after 10 days had passed"
The parents of the deceased are clearly trying to hold representatives of sports organizations accountable for such a late start of the search, and they are trying to justify themselves, referring to information received from Igor Dyatlov about the postponement of the return.
Gordo:
"it was allegedly said by Yudin who was a participant in Dyatlov group, but had to turn back due to illness."
On April 15 Yuri Yudin denied knowing about any changes in the return date of the trek.
"Question: When you parted with comrade Dyatlov, did he tell you that the return date will be moved from the February 2nd to February 15th of 1959?
Answer: No, there was no talk about the deadline being postponed to 15/II-59.
Who else could have Dyatlov discussed this with?
The head of the logging camp department Hakimov is one of the last people to see Dyatlov alive.
Immediately after Yuri Yudin's testimony Tempalov flies out to question Hakimov on the same issue.
What was Hakimov doing at the time when he had to start looking for the Dyatlov group?
How come the interrogation protocol is not in the case files?
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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